<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I imagine there will be an argument about this but the Rif Mountains in Morocco have light skinned, red-haired Berbers, and the Arabs tend to consider themselves "better". I don't know if that has changed with the recent revitalization movements of Berber languages and ethnic groups. Any Moroccan opinions? Christina</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><br><div><div>On Mar 26, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Stan Anonby wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div alink="#990000" leftmargin="0" link="#000066" topmargin="0" bgcolor="#ffffff" vlink="#444464" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0"><div>Is there anywhere in the world today where lighter skinned people are considered "lower"?</div><div> </div><div><font color="#000080" size="4" face="Garamond">Stan</font></div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 128); 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