<div dir="ltr"><div>All: this messsage may be of interest.<br><br></div>HS<br><br><br><div><div><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Sreekumar Prabhakaran</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pskduindia@gmail.com">pskduindia@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 1:41 AM<br>Subject: Re: Treatment of Language in the National Education Policy<br>To: "P. Sreekumar, Dravidian University" <<a href="mailto:linguafranka@yahoo.com">linguafranka@yahoo.com</a>><br>Cc: "E. Annamalai" <<a href="mailto:annamalai38@yahoo.com">annamalai38@yahoo.com</a>>, Anvita Abbi <<a href="mailto:anvitaabbi@gmail.com">anvitaabbi@gmail.com</a>>, Ganesan Ambedkar <<a href="mailto:ganesanambedkar@gmail.com">ganesanambedkar@gmail.com</a>>, Marian Alexander Baby <<a href="mailto:mababy54@gmail.com">mababy54@gmail.com</a>>, Meena Pillai <<a href="mailto:meenatpillai@gmail.com">meenatpillai@gmail.com</a>>, "Uma Maheshwar G." <<a href="mailto:guraohyd@gmail.com">guraohyd@gmail.com</a>>, Uma Pappuswamy <<a href="mailto:umaranip@gmail.com">umaranip@gmail.com</a>>, ASHER Ronald <<a href="mailto:r.e.asher@ed.ac.uk">r.e.asher@ed.ac.uk</a>>, Arul MOZI <<a href="mailto:arulmozi@gmail.com">arulmozi@gmail.com</a>>, Shanmugam SeVai <<a href="mailto:svs.anr2@gmail.com">svs.anr2@gmail.com</a>>, Ayesha Kidwai <<a href="mailto:ayesha.kidwai@gmail.com">ayesha.kidwai@gmail.com</a>>, Kamatchi Alagarsamy <<a href="mailto:kamatchi75@gmail.com">kamatchi75@gmail.com</a>>, "Prof.Kamatchi AU" <<a href="mailto:kamatchi_au@yahoo.co.in">kamatchi_au@yahoo.co.in</a>>, Balasubramanian Govindasamy <<a href="mailto:gbalu123@gmail.com">gbalu123@gmail.com</a>>, "B. 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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US">This is a response from a <a href="http://www.linguistics.ucsb.edu/people/bernard-comrie" target="_blank">Prof. Bernard S Comrie</a>
a linguist with world repute and good friend of India. I cite from his comments
“</span><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:rgb(146,208,80)" lang="EN-US">Protection for potentially threatened languages needs ideally to start
before they are endangered. </span></b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New'" lang="EN-US">This can be an imperative to Indian.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New'" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New'" lang="EN-US">Regarding the proposal of ‘Indology’ again i cite<b><span style="color:rgb(146,208,80)"> [..]</span><span style="color:rgb(192,80,77)">one no longer has departments of
Indology, Sinology, etc., but rather of Indian/South Asian Studies, Chinese
Studies, where a particular region is studied from various perspectives (e.g.
linguistic, literary, historical, socio-cultural, etc.). (In German-speaking
countries, by contrast, the corresponding terms Indologie, Sinologie are still
quite usual.).</span> When you discuss about Indology his observation help us
as a statement of fact across the world. </b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New'" lang="EN-US"> </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New'" lang="EN-US">We should be thankful to Prof.</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> </span><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New'" lang="EN-US">Bernard S Comrie for spending time for our nation. I
am very seriously waiting ti listen from Prof. Anvita Abbi </span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US">To: P. Sreekumar</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US">From: Bernard Comrie</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US">Date: 2015 Sep 29</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US">Subj: Treatment
of Language in the National Education Policy</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US">Dear Professor Sreekumar:</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US">Thank you for sending me your
thoughtful comments on the government's paper. I have just a couple of things
to add from my perspective, though of course my unfamiliarity with the details
of the situation means that I can't attempt to be as thorough as you are.</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US">1. I was somewhat surprised by the use
of the terms "</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:red" lang="EN-US">resuscitate and rejuvenate</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US">". Both of these suggest a rather advanced
state of decline, and as we know from experience the further a language is on
the endangerment path, the harder it is to do anything successful about it. </span><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:rgb(146,208,80)" lang="EN-US">Protection for
potentially threatened languages needs ideally to start before they are
endangered.</span></b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US"> Maybe the terms should at least include "maintain", or
perhaps better "preserve", in addition to "resuscitate and
rejuvenate". I leave it up to you to decide whether you want to work this
into your comments.</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US">2. I'm not sure to what extent your
objection to "Indology" is to the term or to whatever concept the
government paper is trying to get across. In English, such terms strike me as
old-fashioned, i.e</span><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:rgb(192,80,77)" lang="EN-US">. one no longer has
departments of Indology, Sinology, etc., but rather of Indian/South Asian
Studies, Chinese Studies, where a particular region is studied from various
perspectives (e.g. linguistic, literary, historical, socio-cultural, etc.). (In
German-speaking countries, by contrast, the corresponding terms Indologie,
Sinologie are still quite usual.)</span></b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US"> I presume that in any country's
educational system the pupils are educated about their own country from at
least some of these perspectives. This might or might not be a separate
subject, probably not, but would be divided across several subjects, e.g.
Literature, History, etc. So I think the more important issue would be how such
knowledge is to be incorporated into the Indian educational curriculum, rather
than which term is used, or whether all such teaching is grouped under a single
subject name.</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US">I hope these comments from an outside
perspective are helpful.</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US">Best,</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-repeat:initial" align="left"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black" lang="EN-US">Bernard C.</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Courier New';color:black"></span></p></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 10:30 PM, P. Sreekumar, Dravidian University <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:linguafranka@yahoo.com" target="_blank">linguafranka@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif;font-size:12px"><div><span style="font-size:15.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Courier New"" lang="EN-US">Dear all <u></u><u></u></span></div><div><span style="font-size:15.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Courier New"" lang="EN-US">The Ministry of Human Resource Department of
Government of India is in the making of a New Education Policy to the nation. The
twenty themes are under circulation for public opinion and made available on <a href="http://mhrd.gov.in/sites/upload_files/mhrd/files/upload_document/Themes_questions_HE.pdf" target="_blank">http://mhrd.gov.in/sites/upload_files/mhrd/files/upload_document/Themes_questions_HE.pdf</a>
I
have been reading the theme number XIV Promote Cultural Integration through
language of the National Education Policy consultation document of Higher
education. The theme paper is attached
and with my response on it. What is your
reflection about the theme?<u></u><u></u></span></div><div><span style="font-size:15.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Courier New"" lang="EN-US">PS: There are two attaches; theme and response <u></u><u></u></span></div><div><span style="font-size:15.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Courier New"" lang="EN-US">With respect<u></u><u></u></span></div><div>
</div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:15.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Courier New"" lang="EN-US">Sree<u></u><u></u></span></div><div></div><div> </div><div><div><font face="bookman old style, new york, times, serif" color="#007f40" size="2">P. Sreekumar<br>Assistant Professor<br>Dept. of Dravidian and Computational Linguistics<br>Dravidian University, Kuppam, Chittor (dist) </font></div><div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:13px"><font size="2"><font color="#007f40"><font face="bookman old style, new york, times, serif">Andhra Pradesh, INDIA <br></font>Pin. 517 426 </font></font></div><div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:13px"><font size="2"><font color="#007f40"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://dravidian.academia.edu/PrabhakaranSreekumar" target="_blank">http://dravidian.academia.edu/PrabhakaranSreekumar</a> <br></font></font><font color="#007f40" size="2"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.dravidianuniversity.ac.in/cvs/linguistics/sreekumar.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.dravidianuniversity.ac.in/cvs/linguistics/sreekumar.pdf</a></font></div><div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;COLOR:rgb(0,0,0);FONT-SIZE:13px"> </div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div></div></div>-- <br><span class=""><div>P. Sreekumar<br>Assistant Professor<br>Dept. of Dravidian and Computational Linguistics<br>Dravidian University, Kuppam, Chittor (dist) <br>Andhra Pradesh, INDIA <br>Pin. 517 426 <br><a href="http://dravidian.academia.edu/PrabhakaranSreekumar" target="_blank">http://dravidian.academia.edu/PrabhakaranSreekumar</a> <br><a href="http://www.dravidianuniversity.ac.in/cvs/linguistics/sreekumar.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.dravidianuniversity.ac.in/cvs/linguistics/sreekumar.pdf</a> <br></div>
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