Does Language Influence Culture?
Kerim Friedman
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Thu Jul 29 03:13:39 UTC 2010
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2010/7/29 Kathryn Woolard <kwoolard at ucsd.edu>
> I believe the Ervin-Tripp TAT study of Japanese “war brides” may be
> reported in
> Ervin-Tripp, S. 1967 An Issei learns English. J. of Social Issues 23 (2):
> 78-90.
>
> If that’s not the exact study, I think it’s included in the Ervin-Tripp
> collection in the Stanford series:
> Ervin-Tripp, S.M. 1973 Language Acquisition and Communicative Choice.
> Essays selected by Anwar S. Dil. Stanford University Press.
>
>
> On problems with the LingAnth listserv: several of us have learned that
> our
> posts go through to everyone else on the listserv, but not to the sender,
> so
> you don’t know that you succeeded in posting unless someone responds to it.
> But that doesn’t explain Eve’s case, because at least some of the rest of
> us
> (me, Rudi) didn’t get her original post, either. I was unable to find any
> live help for the listserv, does anyone know if it’s available, and how?
>
> Kit
>
> On 7/28/10 4:54 PM, "kathryn.beaver16 at gmail.com"
> <kathryn.beaver16 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am new to the field and this is the first I've heard of Ervin-Tripp
> study.
> > Can you point me in the direction where I can find it?
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kathryn Woolard <kwoolard at UCSD.EDU>
> > Sender: Linguistic Anthropology Discussion Group
> > <LINGANTH at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 08:51:41
> > To: <LINGANTH at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>
> > Reply-To: Kathryn Woolard <kwoolard at UCSD.EDU>
> > Subject: Re: Does Language Influence Culture?
> >
> > For starters on this problem of public awareness, maybe some of you
> > participating in this discussion would like to write letters to the WSJ
> > and/or the author of the article, commenting on this line of research in
> > ling. anthro? Not of complaint, but of the collaborative/co-optive,
> ²we¹re
> > pleased to see this new attention to one of our longstanding research
> > topics² type, and suggesting some principal sources where interested
> readers
> > could find some of it? It¹s unlikely that the article¹s author is
> unaware
> > of that lit., since a lot of the work cited on. e.g, cardinal
> orientiations
> > or color terms, comes from ling. anthro. It¹s more likely that she just
> > doesn¹t consider it conclusive about cognition, especially on the causal
> > point, which is fair it¹s been the field¹s own perennial criticism. But
> it
> > is odd that Whorf wasn¹t even mentioned in a popularizing piece. And
> there¹s
> > even a tradition of psycholinguistic research not mentioned; it¹s nearly
> 50
> > years ago that Sue Ervin-Tripp found that first generation
> Japanese-American
> > women gave significantly different responses to TAT psychological tests
> in
> > their two languages.
> >
> > If you do write to WSJ, please also send your letter (and/or
> bibliographic
> > essay?!) to the SLA webmaster. Even if not published by the WSJ, an
> > informed discussion could make for a good SLA blog posting around the
> > article that googlers might come across. You can reach the webmaster,
> Alex
> > Enkerli, at:
> >
> > slawebguru at gmail.com
> >
> > Best to all,
> > Kit Woolard
> >
> >
> > On 7/28/10 7:57 AM, "Steve Bialostok" <stevebialostok at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> >
> >> > To be honest, I don't know why this would be a surprise to any of us.
> That
> >> is,
> >> > lack of awareness, paradigm differences, and so forth plague our
> field,
> >> along
> >> > with many others. (When, in the academe, has the left hand never
> attended
> >> to
> >> > what the right hand has, does, or ever shall say?)
> >> >
> >> > Look, for example, at Steve Pinker's The Language Instinct, a book I
> used
> >> to
> >> > assign. His dismantling of Whorf's theories and issues of linguistic
> >> > relativity
> >> > in general are not only uninformed but just plain wrong. You could
> read his
> >> > chapter on Mentalese and not even know that any post-Whorf research of
> >> *any*
> >> > kind ever had been done. And who takes him to task? To my knowledge,
> no
> >> one.
> >> > (Perhaps if his hair was cut, all his academic powers would leave his
> >> body.)
> >> > But
> >> > he operates out of a completely different paradigm, psychology, which
> from
> >> its
> >> > very beginning had identity issues and continues to want to be
> appreciated
> >> as
> >> > a
> >> > science that espouses universal truth.
> >> >
> >> > Steve
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >________________________________
> >> > From: Steve Black <sblack at UCLA.EDU>
> >> > To: LINGANTH at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
> >> > Sent: Wed, July 28, 2010 8:36:51 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: Does Language Influence Culture? - WSJ.com
> >> >
> >> > Dear all,
> >> > I think one of the larger issues we need to face that is represented
> in
> >> Rudi's
> >> > initial commentary is the general lack of publicly available, easier
> to
> >> digest
> >> > information about our foci of study. Linguistic relativity is one of
> the
> >> most
> >> > complex and still argued concepts within anthropology, and the
> relationship
> >> > between language and thought takes many other forms as well (for
> instance,
> >> the
> >> > issues of awareness of grammatical forms and intentionality/
> reflexivity).
> >> > Perhaps as a beginning to a solution, we should prepare a short
> statement
> >> > about
> >> > some of the diverse work that has been done?
> >> > Best,
> >> > Steve Black
> >> >
> >> > On Jul 28, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Kephart, Ronald wrote:
> >> >
> >>>> >> > On 7/28/10 8:58 AM, "Sarah Wagner" <swagner at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
> wrote:
> >>>> >> >
> >>>>>> >>> >> I find it frustrating that she wouldn't refer to any linguist
> except
> >>>>>> >>> >> Chomsky, who could care less what people do with their
> language.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > I find it frustrating, and also unfortunate, that folks
> misrepresent
> >>> >> Chomsky
> >>>> >> > in this way. For one thing, NC has over the years stressed three
> >>>> research
> >>>> >> > questions: (1) What do people know when they know a language?
> (2) How
> do
> >>>> >> > people acquire this knowledge? (3) How do people put this
> knowledge
> to
> >>> >> use?
> >>>> >> > NC himself has always admitted that he's only one person (why
> should
> he
> >>>> >> > have to?), that he can only do so much, and that he prefers to
> work on
> (1)
> >>>> >> > and (2).
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > For another, NC has for many years taught us about the ways
> elites use
> >>>> >> > language to control what people know and think about their
> >>>> government's
> >>>> >> > activities, both at home and out in the world. See his
> discussions, in
> all
> >>>> >> > sorts of places, of the use of the word "terrorism," for example.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > There's plenty about NC's formal linguistics that I don't
> understand
> very
> >>>> >> > well, and there's some that I think I understand and disagree
> with;
> >>>> but to
> >>>> >> > say that he doesn't care at all about how language is used in the
> >>>> world is
> >>>> >> > simply false.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Ron
> >>>> >> > --
> >>>> >> > Ronald Kephart
> >>>> >> > Associate Professor of Anthropology
> >>>> >> > and Linguistics
> >>>> >> > University of North Florida
> >>>> >> > http://crankylinguist.blogspot.com/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
> > Kathryn A. Woolard, Professor
> > kwoolard at ucsd.edu
> > Department of Anthropology, 0532 Phone:
> (858)
> > 534-4639
> > UCSD
> > Fax : (858) 534-5946
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> > La Jolla, CA 92093-0532
>
>
> Kathryn A. Woolard, Professor
> kwoolard at ucsd.edu
> Department of Anthropology, 0532 Phone: (858)
> 534-4639
> UCSD
> Fax : (858) 534-5946
> 9500 Gilman Drive
> La Jolla, CA 92093-0532
>
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