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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>I think Barbara is right – GBS was, certainly
for his day, linguistically sophisticated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>He campaigned for a phonemic alphabet and even attempted
to devise his own – the Shavian alphabet (which however was actually
implemented by Kingsley Read, with a bequest from Shaw’s will) has been
incorporated into Unicode, though I’ve never seen it used online except
as a curiosity. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'><span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span><a
href="http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/shavian.html">http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/shavian.html</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Each symbol has <span class=GramE>a<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>name</span> – some of them are wonderful
– my favourites are “Whoops”, “<span class=SpellE>Tsadey</span>”
and “<span class=SpellE>Dep</span>”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=2
face="Century Schoolbook"><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>This was perhaps less
of a crank project in his day than it now appears, after many more spelling
reformers have come and gone without affecting common practice at all. The
principle behind Shaw’s approach (a phonetic orthography which is
visually distinct from the Roman alphabet) has survived into some attempts to create
standard orthographies for newly-written languages, though I think they mostly
now go the other way. An obvious flaw of Shaw’s system is that different
spellings are required for each accent of English...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=2
face="Century Schoolbook"><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='text-indent:36.0pt'><span class=SpellE><font
size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Tolkien</span></font></span>
was another linguistically sophisticated writer...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='text-indent:36.0pt'><font size=2
face="Century Schoolbook"><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><span
style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>-<span
class=GramE>peter</span>-<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>Peter L Patrick<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>Dept. of Language and Linguistics<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>University of Essex<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>Wivenhoe Park<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>Colchester CO4 3SQ<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>UK<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>patrickp@essex.ac.uk<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: owner-linganth@ats.rochester.edu
[mailto:owner-linganth@ats.rochester.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Lawless<br>
Sent: 10 March 2008 14:09<br>
To: linganth@cc.rochester.edu<br>
Subject: RE: [Linganth] Language and Linguistics</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>In the preface to Pygmalion Shaw states, "Higgins
is not a portrait of <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Sweet, to whom the adventure of Eliza Doolittle would
have been impossible; <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>still, as will be seen, there are touches of Sweet in
the play." At any <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>rate, I'm not sure that writing about a linguist makes
one a linguist. Robert.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>At 08:59 AM 3/10/2008, Barbara Johnstone wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>>G.B. Shaw?<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>Pygmalion, remember?<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The
Henry Higgins character was based on<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>>Henry Sweet.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>>_________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>>Barbara Johnstone<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>>Professor of Rhetoric and Linguistics;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>>Director of Graduate Studies<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>>Editor, Language in Society<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>>Department of English, Carnegie Mellon University<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>>Pittsburgh PA 15213-3890 USA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>>bj4@andrew.cmu.edu<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>>412.268.6447 office phone/voicemail, 412.268.7989
fax<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>>http://english.cmu.edu/people/faculty/homepages/johnstone/default.html<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>>Pittsburgh Speech and Society:
http://pittsburghspeech.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>>__________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> > -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> > From: owner-linganth@ats.rochester.edu
[mailto:owner-<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> > linganth@ats.rochester.edu] On Behalf Of
Robert Lawless<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:39 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> > To: linganth@cc.rochester.edu<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> > Subject: [Linganth] Language and Linguistics<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> ><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> > Were any of the great (or even not-so-great)
literary giants of English<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> > linguistically sophisticated? Is it of any
benefit to a writer to be able<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> > to articulate the structure and history of
the language? Robert.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> ><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>> ><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Century Schoolbook"><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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