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<div class="">Should the emergence of the English “one” and French “on” be compared to the history of the style indirect libre? I'm asking the question as the closest Kurdish concept is '<i class="">em dibejin', as we say,
</i>which alternates with '<i class="">as I say' </i>(in Josette Rey-Debove's terms 'le mode du comme je dis'). </div>
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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 05:55:07 +0000<br class="">
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Has anyone mentioned English “one” and French “on” ?<br class="">
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Date: Friday, August 25, 2017 at 7:57 PM<br class="">
To: Liz Coville <ecoville@gmail.com><br class="">
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Subject: Re: [Linganth] First person pronouns<br class="">
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Although not an alternative type of singular first person pronoun (only an alternative pronominal option for singular users), Benveniste interestingly refers to the category of "amplified person" when discussing the use of "we" for self-presentation of singular
speaking subjects, as in the case of pluralis maiestatis, or pluralis modestiae ("pop. Tuscan, 'Noi si canta'", Problems in General Linguistics, p. 203).<br class="">
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On 26 August 2017 at 06:16, Liz Coville <ecoville@gmail.com<mailto:ecoville@gmail.com>> wrote:<br class="">
Hi Cyndi,<br class="">
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To follow up on the Malay example, Pete Becker alluded to Maly first person singular pronouns in his short essay "Silence across languages" in Beyond Translation: Essays toward a Modern Philology (1995) (and probably elsewhere as well):<br class="">
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"When we confront a distant language, we are compelled to give full attention to the fact that saying, for instance, "I am" is something we do with words in English, for in that distant language there is no I like our I, and no am at all. To put one's speaking
self into words in Burmese, Javanese or Malay is to make claims of status (high or low) that alienate our very selves... (284)."<br class="">
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On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:35 AM So Miyagawa <runa.uei@gmail.com<mailto:runa.uei@gmail.com>> wrote:<br class="">
Hi Cyndi,<br class="">
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Malay has aku (informal) and saya (formal) as the first-person singular pronouns.<br class="">
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Reference:<br class="">
Current Trends in Pronoun Usage Among Malay Speakers<br class="">
by Normala Othman<br class="">
http://www.philippines-languages.sil.org/ical/papers/othman-Current%20Trends%20in%20Pronoun%20Usage.pdf (see p.5)<br class="">
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I'm a native Japanese speaker, so I wanted to tell you Japanese examples, but you've already mentioned that.<br class="">
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On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Cynthia Dunn <cyndi.dunn@uni.edu<mailto:cyndi.dunn@uni.edu>> wrote:<br class="">
Hello all. I am writing a piece talking about the use of pronouns in self-representation and I wanted to ask if people are aware of languages besides Japanese which offer speakers a choice of more than one option for singular, first-person pronouns (based
on things like gender, situational formality etc). If you are, I would appreciate a brief grammatical outline of the system and/or direction to an appropriate reference work. You can contact me directly off the list at: Cyndi.Dunn@uni.edu<mailto:Cyndi.Dunn@uni.edu><br class="">
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