[Lingtyp] Co-expression of future and past

Wed Dec 12 20:26:12 UTC 2018

Yes, Germ. „einst“ would be a case in point for what Hannu might have had in mind. But the Danish example is not analogous to the Russian one by Hannu, since both Danish sentences refer to the past protracting, as it were, into the moment of speech: the second one because you put it into the past („ved“), the first one is a good instance of what in Russian aspectology would be called „perfect meaning“ (of pfv. aspect, see Hannu’s example with „ušla“).

Best,
Björn.

Von: Hartmut Haberland [mailto:hartmut at ruc.dk]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2018 21:15
An: Wiemer, Bjoern <wiemerb at uni-mainz.de>; Hannu Tommola <hannu.tommola at uta.fi>; Raffaele Simone <rsimone at os.uniroma3.it>
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Betreff: SV: [Lingtyp] Co-expression of future and past

Further to Björn:

Danish
Hun er lige gået ‚She hast just left‘
Jeg var lige ved at gå ‘I was just leaving’

On the other hand, German ’einst’ which can either mean ’a very long time ago’ or ‘in the very remote future’.

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Fra: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> På vegne af Wiemer, Bjoern
Sendt: 12. december 2018 20:46
Til: Hannu Tommola <hannu.tommola at uta.fi>; Raffaele Simone <rsimone at os.uniroma3.it>
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Emne: Re: [Lingtyp] Co-expression of future and past

Is this really enantiosemy and not just a use of „now“, in which this time span around the speaker deixis can be conceived of as protracting into the immediate future and the just accomplished past? That is, there is one and the same deictic center, and in interval-semantic terms (however formalized) there is no gap between this deictically defined time span anterior and posterior to it.

Best,
Björn Wiemer.

Von: Lingtyp [mailto:lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org] Im Auftrag von Hannu Tommola
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2018 20:39
An: Raffaele Simone <rsimone at os.uniroma3.it<mailto:rsimone at os.uniroma3.it>>
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Betreff: Re: [Lingtyp] Co-expression of future and past

In Russian the same enantiosemy can be observed with _sejchas_ 'now, presently, soon':

1. _ona tol'ko sejchas ushla_ 'she's just gone'

2. _ona sejchas pridet_ 'she'll be here soon'

Best,
Hannu Tommola

Quoting Raffaele Simone <rsimone at os.uniroma3.it<mailto:rsimone at os.uniroma3.it>>:

In French the expression tout à l'heure means both "earlier, just now" and "shortly, in a minute".

Best,

RS

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Il 11/12/2018 16:07, E. Bashir ha scritto:
As well as the words پرسوں  parsoN 'day before yesterday' or 'day after tomorrow', and tarsoN  ترسوں  'two days in the past or two days in the future'.

Elena Bashir

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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Co-expression of future and past

Dear Lauren,

In Hindi, the word कल  /kal/ can be interpreted as both 'tomorrow' or 'yesterday'.

Regards,
Seino
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On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 3:21 PM Lauren Reed <lauren.reed at anu.edu.au<mailto:lauren.reed at anu.edu.au>> wrote:
Dear colleagues,

My colleague Alan Rumsey and I are working on a small sign language in Western Highlands, Papua New Guinea. The language has a marker which appears to express either remote future or remote past. This co-expression is attributed by users to the fact that both far future and far past events occur many sleep-wake cycles from now.

I am interested in hearing of any other examples you may be aware of where languages overtly mark both future and past with the same marker (whether this be remote or not).

Best regards
Lauren

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