[Lingtyp] Query on sentential names/Satznamen

paolo Ramat paolo.ramat at unipv.it
Thu Jun 20 09:54:51 EDT 2019


The first example that comes to the mind is the well-known name of the
myosotis L. flower, 'vergissmein(es)nicht'. From your examples it is not
quite clear if you refer just to family names like Trinkwasser, Boileau,
Gustavino etc. or to sentential names in the widest sense.
For compounds used as SN you may have a look at B. Schluecker (ed.),
Complex Lexical Units. Compounds and Multi-Word Expressions. De Gruyter
2019.

Best,
P.Rt.

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Il giorno gio 20 giu 2019 alle ore 14:38 Broadwell,George Aaron <
broadwell at ufl.edu> ha scritto:

> Traditional Choctaw names for men were often based on some memorable event
> during war, e.g.
>
> Falama-t abi  'Returns and kills'
> Acha̱ka-t abi  'Kills next to it'.
>
> The common Choctaw surname Tubby comes from the last two syllables of
> these names.
>
> This system is described in Swanton (1931)
> [reprinted as Swanton, J. (2001). Source material for the social and
> ceremonial life of the Choctaw Indians. University of Alabama Press.]
>
> Modern Choctaws still do have personal names in Choctaw, but they are
> mostly not sentential, so far as I have recorded.  Some modern names are
> listed in my 2006 Choctaw grammar.
>
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> ________________________________________
> From: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of
> Johanna NICHOLS <johanna at berkeley.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:20 AM
> To: Jan Rijkhoff
> Cc: lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Query on sentential names/Satznamen
>
> Verb stem plus noun compounds in western European languages are
> sometimes lexicalized as last names, e.g. Trinkwasser, Boileau, and I
> believe Drinkwater exists; also Turnbull, Shakespeare.  As names these
> are lexicalized compounds, but as I recall it's also been argued that
> the first element is an imperative (though it doesn't have imperative
> meaning; the compounds are descriptive, not exhortations).
>
> Johanna
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 2:25 PM Jan Rijkhoff <linjr at cc.au.dk> wrote:
> >
> > Here is another example (text taken from
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> > etc.
> > best, jan r
> >
> > J. Rijkhoff - Associate Professor, Linguistics
> > School of Communication and Culture, Aarhus University
> > Jens Chr. Skous Vej 2, Building 1485-621
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> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of
> Anstey, Matthew <MAnstey at csu.edu.au>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 1:21 PM
> > To: lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> > Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Query on sentential names/Satznamen
> >
> > Dear Iker
> >
> > Not just ending in -el either for Biblical Hebrew, also starting with
> el-:
> > Eliab <el-i-ab> [God-1SG-father] ‘God is my father’
> > Elizabeth from Elisheva <el-i-sheva> [God-1SG-oath] ‘God is my oath’
> > Elijah <el-i-jah> [God-1SG-YHWH] ‘YHWH is my God’
> >
> > There are also lots of SNs without God in them:
> > Abimelech <ab-i-melech> [father-1SG-king] ‘My father is king’ (or it
> might be ‘father of a king’)
> > Ahikam <ah-i-kam> [brother-1SG-arise.PST.3MSG] ‘my brother has risen’
> >
> > There are lots which are SNs but we don’t really know the precise
> meaning of them:
> > Zapnath-Paaneah which might mean ‘the man to whom mysteries are
> revealed’ or rather ‘the god speaks and lives’ if Egyptian in origin.
> > Maher-shalal-hash-baz which means something like ‘He has hurried to the
> plunder’
> >
> > You would also want to check out other Semitic languages, as most
> (perhaps all?) have SNs like this. Eg Akkadian: Nabu-kudurri-usur ‘O God
> Nabu, preserve my firstborn son’
> >
> > Here are some references:
> > Leyew, Z. 2003 Amharic personal nomenclature: A grammar and
> sociolinguistic insight. Journal of African Cultural Studies 16(2):181-211
> > Rahkonen, P. 2019 Personal names of the Pentateuch in the Northwest
> Semitic Context: A Comparative Study. Scandinavian Journal of the Old
> Testament (SJOT) 33
> > Knudsen, EE. 2008 Amorite names and Old Testament onomastics. SJOT 13
> >
> > And an Omotic language:
> > Genre, Y 2010 Cultural contact and change in naming practices among the
> Atari of Southwest Ethiopia. Journal of African Cultural Studies. 22
> 183-194.
> >
> > Not sure if this interests you, but there is a tonne of research in
> psychology on names and identity. Eg:
> > Kim, J. & K. Lee 2011 “What’s your name?”: Names, naming practices and
> contextualised selves of young Korean American children. Journal of
> Research in Childhood Education 25(3), 211-227.
> >
> >
> > The Rev’d Assoc Prof Matthew Anstey
> > Director of Higher Degree Research, Alphacrucis College
> > Research Fellow (Public and Contextual Theology Strategic Research
> Centre), Charles Sturt University
> > Visiting Research Fellow (Linguistics), University of Adelaide
> > Honorary Research Associate Professor (School of Historical and
> Philosophical Inquiry), University of Queensland
> > ________________________________
> > From: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of
> David Gil <gil at shh.mpg.de>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 7:51 pm
> > To: lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> > Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Query on sentential names/Satznamen
> >
> >
> > Dear Iker,
> >
> > Hebrew is a source for numerous examples of this, many of which are
> familiar around the world, though their etymologies may not be. If you can
> think of a name that ends with "-el" or "-iah", chances are it's a SN in
> which the "-el" or "-iah" bit refers to God.  For example
> >
> > Daniel < dan-i-el [judge.PAST.3SGM-1SG.OBJ-God] 'God judged me'
> >
> > I suspect that you may wish to broaden the definition of SN to include
> also clause-like cases involving a "zero" copula, such as
> >
> > Michael < mi-xa-el [who-like-God] 'Who is like God'
> >
> > Also, since Hebrew has pronominal marking on the verb, you might wish
> also to include forms such as
> >
> > Isaac < yiṣħak [3SGM.FUT.laugh] 'He will laugh'.
> >
> > I'll stop here, as I assume that there is a large literature on this
> subject.
> >
> > (Note: for convenience sake, I've provided the transcriptions and
> glosses as per Modern Hebrew, though since these names are Biblical, they
> should really be represented in Biblical Hebrew.)
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > On 20/06/2019 19:52, Iker Salaberri wrote:
> > Dear colleagues, dear fellow typologists,
> >
> > I'm currently looking for cross-linguistic data on a specific kind of
> name: sentential names (SNs), a.k.a. clausal names, phrasal names and (in
> their widespread German use) Satznamen. van Langendonck (2007: 277-278)
> defines SNs as names consisting (minimally) of a verbal stem and a noun
> phrase (NP) or an adverb, where the NP is either the direct object or the
> subject of the verb stem. Here are some examples of SNs I have found so far:
> >
> > (1) Shona (East Bantu): Chaitamwarihachirambwi 'What God has done cannot
> be rejected', from mwari 'God' and the verb root -it 'to do' (Mapara 2013:
> 103)
> >
> > (2) Basque (Language isolate): Euridakargaina 'The summit which brings
> rain', from euri 'rain' and the verb root -kar 'to bring' (Salaberri 2008:
> 733)
> >
> > (3) Warrongo (Pama-Nyungan): Galonggo balban banggarra '(The place
> where) mice rolled blue tongue lizard', from galo 'mouse' and balba 'to
> roll' (Tsunoda 2011: 22)
> >
> > (4) Northwest Sahaptin (Sahaptian): Xátkapsha 'Leans unexpectedly', from
> tkap 'to lean' and xa- 'unexpectedly' (Hunn 1996: 14)
> >
> > (5) Mandarin (Sino-Tibetan): Chuán-wén '(The one who) transmits
> culture', from chuán 'to transmit' and wén 'culture' (Wiedenhof 2015: 92)
> (sorry if the tone markers are inaccurate)
> >
> > (6) Eastern Apurímac Quechua (Quechuan): Waqcha kuyaq '(The one who)
> esteems the poor', from waqcha 'poor' and kuya- 'to esteem' (Fonseca 2012:
> 98)
> >
> > (7) German (Indo-European): Hassdenpflug 'Hate the plow', from hassen
> 'to hate' and Pflug 'plow/plough' (Heintze 1908: 160)
> >
> > I'm writing to ask for your help in tracking down more instances of this
> kind of name: I have found so far that SNs are common in (subsaharan)
> Africa, North America and Europe, in decreasing order, and far less common
> in Asia, Oceania and South America. That is why I would be extremely
> grateful for any information on SNs in languages from Asia, Oceania and
> South America. I would be very grateful for any pointers to grammars,
> language descriptions or other mentions of SNs in the literature.
> >
> > References:
> > Fonseca, Gustavo S. 2012. Introducción a un tesoro de nombres quechuas
> en Apurímac. Lima: Terra Nuova.
> > Heintze, Albert. 1908. Die deutschen Familiennamen: Geschichtlich,
> geographisch, sprachlich (3rd edition). Halle an der Saale: Verlag der
> Buchhandlung des Waisenhauses.
> > Hunn, Eugene. 1996. Columbia Plateau Indian place names: What can they
> teach us? Journal of Linguistic Anthropology 6(1). 3-26.
> > Mapara, Jacob. 2013. Shona sentential names: A brief overview. Bamenda:
> Langaa Research & Publishing.
> > van Langendonck, Willy. 2007. Theory and typology of proper names.
> Berlin/New York: Mouton de Gruyter.
> > Salaberri, Patxi. 2008. Satznamen direlakoen inguruan: Erlatibozko
> perpausetan jatorri duten toponimoak aztergai [On so-called Satznamen:
> Investigating toponyms which originate in relative clauses]. In Xabier
> Artiagoitia & Joseba A. Lakarra (eds.), Gramatika jaietan: Patxi Goenagaren
> omenez, 725-741. Bilbao/Bilbo: University of the Basque Country.
> > Tsunoda, Tasaku. 2011. A grammar of Warrongo. Berlin/Boston: Mouton de
> Gruyter.
> > Wiedenhof, Jeroen. 2015. A grammar of Mandarin. Amsterdam/Philadelphia:
> John Benjamins.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Iker Salaberri
> > Public University of Navarre
> >
> >
> >
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