[Lingtyp] addressing the daughter as Mummy

kayaulai at umail.ucsb.edu kayaulai at umail.ucsb.edu
Thu Aug 20 03:24:36 UTC 2020 

Dear Prof Loesov,

This is known as *address inversion*, and it has been studied in the
literature on address terms. This book has a detailed discussion of the
phenomenon:

Braun, Friederike. 1988. *Terms of Address: Problems of Patterns and Usage
in Various Languages and Cultures*. Berlin, New York, Amsterdam: Mouton de
Gruyter.
Hope this helps!

Sincerely,
Ryan

Grad student
University of California, Santa Barbara

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>    4. virtual SLE Workshop: New Perspectives on Word Order
>       Flexibility (Natalia Levshina)
>    5. Re: addressing the daughter as Mummy (NAIM Samia)
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> Dear colleagues,
>
> In various cultures (those I know of happen to be mostly Islamic) the form
> of address can be copied by the addressee. Thus, when a daughter addresses
> her mother as “Mummy”, the mother often reciprocates, saying to the
> daughter something like “yes, Mummy”, or “what, Mummy…” (Same of course
> with a son and his father.)
>
> In particular, I came across this kind of exchange in my fieldwork with
> Kurdish (Kurmanji) and some contemporary Aramaic varieties in Upper
> Mesopotamia and Syria, but this phenomenon is also current in the Soqotri
> language, an unwritten Semitic language spoken on the Socotra Island in the
> Indian Ocean, southeast of Yemen.
>
> Are we aware of explanations for this kind of usage? Are there
> cross-language studies of this kind of facts?
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Sergey
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> To: Peter Arkadiev <peterarkadiev at yandex.ru>
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> Dear Peter,
>
> I'm not sure if this is something you are looking for, but In Oklahoma
> Cherokee, the interrogative gadò: can mean either 'what', 'why' or 'which',
> but with the 'why' meaning the verb has to take (mysteriously) the
> iterative prefix (Montgomery-Anderson 2008: 336), while for it to mean
> 'which' it needs to be accompanied by u":sdi [3SG.B-be.way-NOM/SH]. The
> difference between 'what' and 'why' can be seen in the following examples:
>
> 1. gadò: à:dv́:ne:
> katòò 0-atvv7n-ee(h-a)
> what 3SG.A-do-PRS-IND
> 'What is he doing?'
>
> 2. gadò: i:gáwo:híli:yv
> katòò ii-k-awoohil7iiyv-(7-a)
> what ITER-3SG.A-reply-PRS-IND
> 'Why is he answering?'
>
> Other interrogatives have different forms: ha:dla 'where', hila̋ 'how
> many', hilâ:yv̋:7i 'when', gá:go 'who'.  I hope this helps!
>
> Best regards,
> Hiroto
>
> Montgomery-Anderson, Brad. 2008. A reference grammar of Oklahoma Cherokee.
> Ph.D. diss., U. of Kansas
>
> El vie., 14 de ago. de 2020 a la(s) 20:26, Peter Arkadiev (
> peterarkadiev at yandex.ru) escribió:
>
> > Dear typologists,
> >
> > as is well-known, there are many languages lacking a distinction between
> > "animate" and "inanimate" interrogative words (see the doctoral
> > dissertation by Dmitry Idiatov), e.g. Lithuanian "kas" means both 'who'
> and
> > 'what'. I am wondering if there are any languages where interrogative
> words
> > don't distinguish between such ontological categories as "place", "time"
> > and "manner", e.g. have a single interrogative word which, depending on
> the
> > context, can mean "when", "where", "how" and the like.
> >
> > Many thanks in advance and best regards,
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > Idiatov, Dmitry. 2007. A Typology of Non-Selective Interrogative
> > Pronominals. PhD Dissertation, Universiteit Antwerpen.
> >
> > --
> > Peter Arkadiev, PhD Hab.
> > Institute of Slavic Studies
> > Russian Academy of Sciences
> > Leninsky prospekt 32-A 119334 Moscow
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> Peter,
>
> In Khumi (Tibeto-Burman) there are three interrogative words whose
> meanings correspond to 'who', 'what' and basically everything else.
> (Data from David Peterson p.c.)
>
> David
>
>
> On 11/08/2020 21:47, Peter Arkadiev wrote:
> > Dear typologists,
> >
> > as is well-known, there are many languages lacking a distinction between
> "animate" and "inanimate" interrogative words (see the doctoral
> dissertation by Dmitry Idiatov), e.g. Lithuanian "kas" means both 'who' and
> 'what'. I am wondering if there are any languages where interrogative words
> don't distinguish between such ontological categories as "place", "time"
> and "manner", e.g. have a single interrogative word which, depending on the
> context, can mean "when", "where", "how" and the like.
> >
> > Many thanks in advance and best regards,
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > Idiatov, Dmitry. 2007. A Typology of Non-Selective Interrogative
> Pronominals. PhD Dissertation, Universiteit Antwerpen.
> >
> > --
> > Peter Arkadiev, PhD Hab.
> > Institute of Slavic Studies
> > Russian Academy of Sciences
> > Leninsky prospekt 32-A 119334 Moscow
> > peterarkadiev at yandex.ru
> > http://inslav.ru/people/arkadev-petr-mihaylovich-peter-arkadiev
> >
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> David Gil
>
> Senior Scientist (Associate)
> Department of Linguistic and Cultural Evolution
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> From: NAIM Samia <Samia.NAIM at cnrs.fr>
> To: Sergey Loesov <sergeloesov at gmail.com>,
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> Dear colleague,
> You can add to your list some arabic dialects, lebaneese, yemenite,
> syrian, palestinian, egypytian....
> It is the same not only between a son and his father but also  between a
> son and his mother and it also occurs between husband and wife.
> I’m not aware of any work on that, unfortunately.
> Best
>
> Samia
>
>
> Samia Naïm
> Directrice de recherche
> CNRS-LACITO
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> 94801 Villejuif Cedex
> bureau 01 49 58 37 67 ;  secrétariat — 37 78 télécopie —37 79
> samia.naim at cnrs.fr
>
> http://lacito.vjf.cnrs.fr
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> ________________________________
> De : Lingtyp [lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org] de la part de
> Sergey Loesov [sergeloesov at gmail.com]
> Envoyé : mercredi 12 août 2020 21:34
> À : lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> Objet : [Lingtyp] addressing the daughter as Mummy
>
> Dear colleagues,
> In various cultures (those I know of happen to be mostly Islamic) the form
> of address can be copied by the addressee. Thus, when a daughter addresses
> her mother as “Mummy”, the mother often reciprocates, saying to the
> daughter something like “yes, Mummy”, or “what, Mummy…” (Same of course
> with a son and his father.)
> In particular, I came across this kind of exchange in my fieldwork with
> Kurdish (Kurmanji) and some contemporary Aramaic varieties in Upper
> Mesopotamia and Syria, but this phenomenon is also current in the Soqotri
> language, an unwritten Semitic language spoken on the Socotra Island in the
> Indian Ocean, southeast of Yemen.
> Are we aware of explanations for this kind of usage? Are there
> cross-language studies of this kind of facts?
> Thank you very much!
> Sergey
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> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 15:35:53 -0500
> From: Nestor Hernandez-Green <nestorhgreen at gmail.com>
> To: Sergey Loesov <sergeloesov at gmail.com>
> Cc: lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org
> Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] addressing the daughter as Mummy
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> Hi, Sergey,
> Mexican Spanish (and possibly other Spanish varieties in Latin America)
> does something similar: adults may call little boys *papito* (Dad-DIM) and
> little girls *mamita*(Mom-DIM), it depends rather on the gender of the
> child than on the relation between them and the adult.
> Hope this helps
> *= Néstor Hernández-Green =*
> *Sitio web: **goo.gl/jsw4zs <http://goo.gl/jsw4zs>*
>
>
> El sáb., 15 de ago. de 2020 a la(s) 14:26, Sergey Loesov (
> sergeloesov at gmail.com) escribió:
>
> > Dear colleagues,
> >
> > In various cultures (those I know of happen to be mostly Islamic) the
> form
> > of address can be copied by the addressee. Thus, when a daughter
> addresses
> > her mother as “Mummy”, the mother often reciprocates, saying to the
> > daughter something like “yes, Mummy”, or “what, Mummy…” (Same of course
> > with a son and his father.)
> >
> > In particular, I came across this kind of exchange in my fieldwork with
> > Kurdish (Kurmanji) and some contemporary Aramaic varieties in Upper
> > Mesopotamia and Syria, but this phenomenon is also current in the Soqotri
> > language, an unwritten Semitic language spoken on the Socotra Island in
> the
> > Indian Ocean, southeast of Yemen.
> >
> > Are we aware of explanations for this kind of usage? Are there
> > cross-language studies of this kind of facts?
> >
> > Thank you very much!
> >
> > Sergey
> > _______________________________________________
> > Lingtyp mailing list
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> > http://listserv.linguistlist.org/mailman/listinfo/lingtyp
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> From: "Randy J. LaPolla" <randy.lapolla at gmail.com>
> To: peterarkadiev <peterarkadiev at YANDEX.RU>
> Cc: Linguistic Typology <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] undifferentiated interrogative words
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> Dear Peter,
> The Old Chinese word now pronounced [xɤ³⁵] (written 何 in characters and
> hé in the Pinyin Romanisation) could mean ‘what/which’ （何人 what person）,
> ‘why’  （何必如此 why must be like this）, ‘where’ （何往 where go), and also mark
> rhetorical questions （何樂而不為？why happy but not do (it) ）. (Examples from the
> Han Dian (https://www.zdic.net/hans/何 <https://www.zdic.net/hans/%E4%BD%95>)).
> The cognate of this form is also found in many of the Tibeto-Burman
> languages with similar generality.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> All the best,
> Randy
>
> -----
> Randy J. LaPolla, PhD FAHA （羅仁地）
> Professor of Linguistics, with courtesy appointment in Chinese, School of
> Humanities
> Nanyang Technological University
> HSS-03-45, 48 Nanyang Avenue | Singapore 639818
> http://randylapolla.info/'what'
> Most recent books:
> The Sino-Tibetan Languages, 2nd Edition (2017)
>
> https://www.routledge.com/The-Sino-Tibetan-Languages-2nd-Edition/LaPolla-Thurgood/p/book/9781138783324
> <
> https://www.routledge.com/The-Sino-Tibetan-Languages-2nd-Edition/LaPolla-Thurgood/p/book/9781138783324
> >
> Sino-Tibetan Linguistics (2018)
>
> https://www.routledge.com/Sino-Tibetan-Linguistics/LaPolla/p/book/9780415577397
> <
> https://www.routledge.com/Sino-Tibetan-Linguistics/LaPolla/p/book/9780415577397
> >
>
>
>
> > On 12 Aug 2020, at 2:47 AM, Peter Arkadiev <peterarkadiev at YANDEX.RU>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear typologists,
> >
> > as is well-known, there are many languages lacking a distinction between
> "animate" and "inanimate" interrogative words (see the doctoral
> dissertation by Dmitry Idiatov), e.g. Lithuanian "kas" means both 'who' and
> 'what'. I am wondering if there are any languages where interrogative words
> don't distinguish between such ontological categories as "place", "time"
> and "manner", e.g. have a single interrogative word which, depending on the
> context, can mean "when", "where", "how" and the like.
> >
> > Many thanks in advance and best regards,
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > Idiatov, Dmitry. 2007. A Typology of Non-Selective Interrogative
> Pronominals. PhD Dissertation, Universiteit Antwerpen.
> >
> > --
> > Peter Arkadiev, PhD Hab.
> > Institute of Slavic Studies
> > Russian Academy of Sciences
> > Leninsky prospekt 32-A 119334 Moscow
> > peterarkadiev at yandex.ru
> > http://inslav.ru/people/arkadev-petr-mihaylovich-peter-arkadiev
> >
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