<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt"><FONT size=1>Dear Thomas,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt"><FONT size=1>Sorry, there is two typos in my previous posting:<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt"><FONT size=1>The title of the posting should be ¡°word order of <SPAN style="COLOR: red">ordinals</SPAN>¡±, not ¡°cardinals¡±.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt"><FONT size=1><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt"><FONT size=1>We want to know the possible counterexample
and relevant literature and data in other languages.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt"><FONT size=1>In addition, in some languages, <SPAN style="COLOR: red">ordinals</SPAN> morphologically belong to adjectives, such as Russian.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt"><FONT size=1> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt"><FONT size=1>In Russian, ordinals are more adjective-like than cardinals in the sense that all ordinals are morphologically adjective but not all cardinals.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What we really want to know is that is there any other languages than Slavic where ordinals are more adjective-like than
cardinals.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt"><FONT size=1> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoBodyText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1>Thanks for your information of the literature, which is most important and helpful to our <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>investigation!</FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align=left><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt"><FONT size=1> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: left" align=left><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt"><FONT size=1>What you said about the particularity of number ¡®one¡¯ (even if ordinals precede the noun, the cardinal ONE may follow the noun) is totally consistent with our data. Many languages in China behaves like Maltese in this aspect.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Renping may tell you which languages. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt"><FONT size=1> <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt"><FONT size=1>Best<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.5pt"><FONT size=1>Bingfu <o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></div><BR><BR><B><I>Thomas Stolz <stolz@UNI-BREMEN.DE></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)" name=Generator> <STYLE> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </STYLE>
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Arial">at the <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">university</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Bremen</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>, we are currently conducting a large-scale crosslinguistic study of the grammar of ordinal numerals. We also look at word-order issues and word-class membership problems of numerals. First of all, cardinal numerals behave like adjectives in loads of languages ¨C especially Indo-European ones. However, this is often true only of a certain sub-set of the cardinals (lower cardinals as opposed to higher ones, digits as opposed to decimal values, etc.). Thus, there is a difference between Latvian and Lithuanian on the one hand and Greek on the other: Latvian and Lithuanian treat most of their numerals as adjectives when it comes to agreement while Greek has agreement only for numerals including the digits 1, 3 and 4. Details can be found in the work
by Hurford, Veselinova and my own. For the latter see:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 2cm; TEXT-INDENT: -2cm; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Stolz, Thomas. </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2001. </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">d?„Ordinalia ¨C Linguistisches Neuland. Ein Typologenblick auf die Beziehung zwischen Kardinalia und Ordinalia und die Sonderstellung von EINS und ERSTER.¡°, in <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Was ich noch sagen wollte¡ </SPAN></I></SPAN></FONT><I><FONT size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-STYLE: italic">A
multilingual Festschrift for Norbert Boretzky on occasion of his 65<SUP>th</SUP> birthday</SPAN></FONT></I><FONT size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">, herausgegeben von Birgit Igla & Thomas Stolz (= Studia Typologica 2). <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Berlin</st1:State></st1:place>: Akademie-Verlag, 507-530. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 2cm; TEXT-INDENT: -2cm; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Stolz, Thomas. 2002. </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">„Is ‚one¡® still ‚one¡® in ‚tewnty-one¡®? On agreement and government properties of cardinal numerals in the languages of Europe.¡°,
<I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Sprachtypologie und Universalienforschung</SPAN></I> <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">55</SPAN></B>, 354-402. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 2cm; TEXT-INDENT: -2cm; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoBodyTextIndent style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">STOLZ, Thomas & VESELINOVA, Ljuba. 2005.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoBodyTextIndent style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> „Ordinal numerals.¡°, in: <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">The World Atlas of Language Structures</SPAN></I>, edited by Martin Haspelmath, Matthew S. Dryer, David Gil & Bernard Comrie. <st1:City w:st="on">Oxford</st1:City>:
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Oxford</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> Press, 218-221.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 2cm; TEXT-INDENT: -2cm; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 2cm; TEXT-INDENT: -2cm; TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Please note that there are also interesting problems on the micro-level: even if ordinals precede the noun, the cardinal ONE may follow the noun (this is the case in Maltese, for instance). <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div
class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Good luck with the project and keep me informed<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thomas Stolz<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN lang=EN-GB style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Prof. Dr. Thomas Stolz<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Universität Bremen<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">FB 10: Linguistik<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">PF 330 440<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">D-28 334 Bremen/Germany<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Von:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Discussion List for ALT [mailto:LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Im Auftrag von </SPAN></B>bingfu
Lu<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Gesendet:</SPAN></B> Samstag, 18. August 2007 17:16<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">An:</SPAN></B> LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Betreff:</SPAN></B> word order of cardinals</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></div> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dear colleagues,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">One colleague of mine is investigating the word order of ordinal numerals. Based on her database of 112 languages in China, she got the following implicational universal: If ordinal numeral precedes the head noun, cardinal numerals does as well. Her data as shown below:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV>
<DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ord-N & Card-N 53<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">N-Ord & N-Card 52<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">N-Ord & Card-N 15<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">N-Ord & N-Card 0<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">(some languages has two order, therefore, the total numbers of languages above is larger than 112).?We want to know the possible counterexample and relevant literature and data in other languages.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In addition, in some languages, cardinals morphologically belongs to adjectives, such as Russian.?We also need to know other languages where cardinals morphologically as adjectives.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Replies to this inquiry can be send to my colleague Renping Jiang (</SPAN></FONT><A href="mailto:renpingjiang@126.com">renpingjiang@126.com</A>) and me.<o:p></o:p></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">If correspondents is enough, we will make a summary.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE:
12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Bingfu Lu<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV> <DIV> <div class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Institute of Linguistics<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></div></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>