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<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Dear David,<br>
I am not quite sure whether I have got your question right. But in case
you also want to consider class/gender agreement, you should look more
closely to some of the East Caucasian languages (ECL) that use class
markers in clausal and (noun) phrasal agreement. The pattern would be:<br>
<br>
TRANS: NP:A NP:O[Class:X] V:AGR:X<br>
INTRANS: NP:S[Class:X] V:AGR:X <br>
</font>NP: Noun[Class:X] Det:AGR:X
[usually, the word order is DetN]<br>
<br>
[Class:X] means that the noun itself is not marked for AGR but only
triggers AGR (covert class marking technique). From the point of view
of AGR and CASE, it is S=O which can be called the 'subject' (although
I prefer not to use the term when describing ECLs). Note that in those
ECL that have NP internal class agreement the type of DET may be
decisive: For instance, in some Andian languages, a P(ossess)or-DET
takes AGR (in reference to the Possessum) if Por (= Possessor) is
[+human,+male]. Else, we have a genitive case marker. Also, some
languages allow a deictic DET to take AGR whereas others don't. If you
want to have concrete data, please let me know...<br>
<br>
Very best wishes,<br>
Wolfgang<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
David Gil schrieb:
<blockquote cite="mid:47B6E8B5.5030103@eva.mpg.de" type="cite">Dear
all,
<br>
<br>
This query is about cross-categorial parallels in agreement paradigms,
in particular those pertaining to verbs and nouns. In many languages,
(subject or object) agreement markings on verbs are similar or
identical in form to possessor markings on nouns. In Roon (an
Austronesian language of West Papua), a rather different kind of
parallelism is evident, represented schematically as follows:
<br>
<br>
(SUBJ) agr-V
<br>
[N...]=agr-DET
<br>
<br>
In the above, agr represents a prefix encoding agreement with respect
to person, number (singular/dual/plural) and (for 3rd person) gender
(animate/inanimate). Whereas in the former, clausal case the controller
of agreement is the subject NP and its target the verb, in the latter,
phrasal case the controller of agreement is the noun itself and its
target the determiner. The agreement prefixes are pretty much the same
in both cases, the main difference being that the agr-V complex is an
independent word whereas the agr-DET complex is an enclitic which
attaches to the right edge of the NP.
<br>
<br>
(Disclaimer: the above account is based on very preliminary field work
and reflects an interim understanding of the facts; it should not be
cited in written publications.)
<br>
<br>
My question: how common is it cross-linguistically for there to be an
apparently complete parallelism between Subject-Verb and
Noun-Determiner agreement? Have any other similar cases been
documented? (I am familiar only with a description of similar facts in
closely-related Biak in a recent PhD dissertation by Wilco van den
Heuvel.) Of course, many languages have both Subject-Verb and
Noun-Determiner agreement, but usually the agreeing features and/or the
forms expressing the features are different.
<br>
<br>
Any comments, suggestions and pointers would be gratefully appreciated.
<br>
<br>
Thanks,
<br>
<br>
David
<br>
<br>
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<p class="style1" style=""> <span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-US"> <span style=""> </span>----------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="style1" style=""><i style=""> <span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: red;"
lang="EN-US"> Second contact:<span style="">
</span><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="style1" style=""><span class="SpellE"> <span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"> Katedra</span></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"> <span
class="SpellE">Germanistiký</span><span style="">
</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="style1" style=""><span class="SpellE"> <span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"> Fakulta</span></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"> <span
class="SpellE">humanitných</span> <span class="SpellE">vied</span><span
style="">
</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="style1" style=""><span class="SpellE"> <span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-US"> Univerzita</span></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-US"> <span class="SpellE">Mateja</span> <span class="SpellE">Béla</span>
/ <span class="SpellE">Banská</span> <span class="SpellE">Bystrica</span><span
style=""> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="style1" style=""><span class="SpellE"> <span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-US"> Tajovského</span></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-US"> 40<span style="">
</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="style1" style=""> <span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-US"> SK-97401 <span class="SpellE">Banská</span> <span
class="SpellE"> Bystrica</span><span style="">
</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="style1" style=""> <span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-US"> Tel: (00421)-(0)48-4465108<span style="">
</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="style1" style=""> <span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-US"> Fax: (00421)-(0)48-4465512<span style="">
</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="style1" style=""> <span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-US"> Email: </span> <span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"> <a
href="mailto:Schulze@fhv.umb.sk"><span style="" lang="EN-US">
Schulze@fhv.umb.sk</span></a></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"
lang="EN-US"><span style="">
</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="style1" style=""> <span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"> Web: <a
href="http://www.fhv.umb.sk/app/user.php?user=schulze">
http://www.fhv.umb.sk/app/user.php?user=schulze</a></span><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";"><span
style=""> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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