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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Dutch also uses 'in' next to 'with', possibly related to the semantics of the main verb:<BR>
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met haar hebben we een groot leider verloren<BR>
with her have we a great leader lost<BR>
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But:<BR>
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in haar hebben/bezitten we een groot leider<BR>
in her have/possess we a great leader<BR>
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Dik<BR>
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Dik Bakker<BR>
Dept. of General Linguistics<BR>
Universities of Amsterdam & Lancaster<BR>
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Societas Linguistica Europaea<BR>
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-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Discussion List for ALT on behalf of E. Bashir<BR>
Sent: Thu 12/17/2009 16:56<BR>
To: LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG<BR>
Subject: Re: German MIT<BR>
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The same is true for English, for example: <BR>
In him, we lost a great leader.<BR>
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Elena Bashir<BR>
University of Chicago<BR>
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--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Anna Filippova <anna.serg.filippova@GMAIL.COM> wrote:<BR>
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> From: Anna Filippova <anna.serg.filippova@GMAIL.COM><BR>
> Subject: Re: German MIT<BR>
> To: LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG<BR>
> Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 2:49 AM<BR>
> Dear Wolfgang,<BR>
> in Russian you can say,<BR>
> translating the first example of yours:<BR>
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> Mit ihm haben wir ein-en Freund verloren.<BR>
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> with he:DAT have:PRES:1PL we<BR>
> INDEF-MASC:ACC friend lose:PPP<BR>
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> ? ??? ?? ????????<BR>
> ?????<BR>
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> in he:DAT we<BR>
> lose:PAST:1PL friend:MASC:ACC<BR>
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> As you see, it is the<BR>
> preposition "in", not "with", that we<BR>
> use in Russian. <BR>
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> But then I must say<BR>
> exactly the same thing that Denis has just said: this<BR>
> construction seems natural only for the first two examples.<BR>
> In the other cases, other means of expressing this kind of<BR>
> relation should be resorted to. <BR>
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> Best<BR>
> wishes,<BR>
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> Anna<BR>
> Filippova<BR>
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