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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In Tswana too, the pronoun can be omitted.
I think this is general in Bantu languages.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Denis Creissels<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>De :</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Discussion List
for ALT [mailto:LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>De la part de</span></b> Daniel W. Hieber<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Envoyé :</span></b> samedi 29 septembre
2012 14:29<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Objet :</span></b> Re: VS:
nominal-internal person agreement</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Swahili has this feature too, unsurprisingly:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>sisi s-ote<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>we 1p-all<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>'all of us'<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>ninyi ny-ote<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>you(pl.) 2p-all<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>'all of you'<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Interestingly, you can also omit the pronoun and just say <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>sote</span></i>, <i><span style='font-style:italic'>nyote</span></i>,
<i><span style='font-style:italic'>wote</span></i>, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Other examples:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sisi sote tu-me-kwend-a ku-le.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>We all 1p-PERF-go-IND LOC-DEM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>'We have all gone there.'<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Ki-tamba ch-ote ni ki-chafu.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>7-cloth 7-all COP 7-dirty<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>'All the cloth is dirty.'<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>'The whole cloth is dirty.'<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Ny-umba z-ote ni z-angu.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>10-house 10-all COP 10-1s.POSS<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>'All the houses are mine.'<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Examples are taken from the following source, and my grammatically
judgements agree with all of them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Wilson, Peter. 1970. <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Simplified
Swahili</span></i>. Essex: Longman.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Danny<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
Omnis habet sua dona dies. ~ Martial<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>
On Sep 29, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Fabre Alain <<a href="mailto:alain.fabre@TUT.FI">alain.fabre@TUT.FI</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I have similar examples from my Nivacle data (Mataguayo family,
Paraguayan Chaco):<br>
xa-niôs-e-sh-elh ya’-lhakôm’a-elh<br>
1A-ask-3P-instr-pl 1S-all-pl<br>
‘All of us ask about it’<br>
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shn-ôk-e-i kun kas-lhakôm’a<br>
1pl.incl-go-3-apl.loc courtesy 1pl.incl.-all<br>
‘Let’s go there!’<br>
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-lhakôm’a ‘all’ agrees with the subject of the preceeding verb. The
personal prefixes of –lhakôm’a are ambiguous, because the same prefixes are
used for predicative nouns and property verbs (as well as other kinds of
verbs). All translational equivalents of adjectives are inflected like
predicative nouns and other types of verbs. However, as Nivacle makes extensive
use of multi-verb constructions, the above examples could also be analysed as
(asyndetic) coordinated VPs.<br>
All the best,<br>
Alain Fabre<br>
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Aihe: nominal-internal person agreement<br>
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Hello all,<br>
<br>
This query is on behalf of Steve Wechsler:<br>
<br>
It has been noted that (at least some) Bantu languages have person<br>
agreement inside certain Quantified Noun Phrases:<br>
<br>
Thina s-onke si-fik-ile
(Zulu; Doke
1963:94, cited in<br>
Baker 2008:115)<br>
we 1pl-all 1pl-arrive-perf<br>
'We have all arrived.'<br>
<br>
The quantifier onke 'all' agrees with thina 'we' in person (and<br>
number). This is said to be typologically rare since adnominals such<br>
as quantifiers do not normally agree in person. I would be interested<br>
in any examples of such apparently nominal-internal person agreement<br>
in Bantu or other languages. In particular, I wonder if phrases like<br>
[we 1pl-all] can occur in all nominal positions in the sentence (such<br>
as object position), or rather tend to be sentence-initial.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Steve Wechsler<br>
<a href="mailto:wechsler@mail.utexas.edu">wechsler@mail.utexas.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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