<html><head><base href="x-msg://218/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">There is a different sort of nominal-internal person agreement, in Tundra Nenets, as pointed out by Irina Nikolaeva. In phrases like "my while reindeer'", a personal possessive marker on the noun possessum is obligatory while one on the modifier "white" is optional. The data are reported in Corbett (2006: 141-142); the original source is Nikolaeva (2005).</span></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">References:</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"></span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; ">Nikolaeva, Irina. 2005. Modifier-head person concord. In: <i>Morphology and Linguistic Typology: Online</i></span></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 9.5px/normal Times; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><i>Proceedings of the Fourth Mediterranean Morphology Meeting (MMH4) Catania,</i></span></font></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 9.5px/normal Times; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><i>21–23 September 2003</i></span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">. Available at: <a href="http://morbo.lingue.unibo.it/mmm/mmm4-">http://morbo.lingue.unibo.it/mmm/mmm4-</a></span></div></div></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; ">Corbett, Greville G. </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><i>Agreement</i></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; ">. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. </span></div></blockquote><div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Best</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px;">Greville Corbett</span></font></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 29 Sep 2012, at 15:28, Enrique L. Palancar wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><div dir="ltr"><div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Hello Pattie,</span></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">Here is my contribution to Steve Wechsler's query: </font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">Notions such as "all of us came back" in Otomi, a language family of Mexico, are conveyed by a construction involving two juxtaposed clauses, one being a depictive clause referring to the quantification of the subject "we being all" and a main clause "we returned". </font></div><div><font size="3"> </font></div><div><font size="3">Data from Northern Otomi, variety of San Ildefonso Tultepec</font></div><div><font size="3"> </font></div><div><font size="3">(1)</font></div><div><font size="3">dí=<b>ga’tho</b>=he dá=penk=he</font></div><div><font size="3">1.INCPL.REALIS=be.all=PL.EXCL 1.CPL=return=PL.EXCL</font></div><div><font size="3">‘We all came back’</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">The lexical item which in (1) is a verb, in (2) is a determiner.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br></span></div><div><font size="3">(2)</font></div><div><font size="3">pa bi=’<y><u>a</u>’= [<b>ga’tho</b> nu=ya khö’i]</font></div><div><font size="3">PURPOSIVE 3.CPL=<SECONDARY.STEM>bury.BOUND[3.OBJ]=all DEF=PL person</font></div><div><font size="3">‘To bury all people.’</font></div><div><font size="3"> </font></div><div><font size="3">The treatment of "all" as a verb is an unsurprising one in Mesoamerican languages. </font></div><div><font size="3">Hope this helps, </font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">Very best, </font></div><div><font size="3">Enrique</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div>..............................................................................................................................................</div><div>Enrique L. Palancar</div><div><br></div><div>SeDyL-CELIA</div><div>CNRS (UMR 8202)</div><div>7 rue Guy Môquet </div><div>94801 Villejuif Cedex, France </div><div><br></div><div>Surrey Morphology Group</div><div>School of English and Languages</div><div>Faculty of Arts and Human Sciences (J1)</div><div>University of Surrey,</div><div>Guildford, Surrey GU2 7XH</div><div><br></div><div>Tel. +44 (0)1483 682856</div><div><<a href="http://www.surrey.ac.uk/english/smg/people/">www.surrey.ac.uk/english/smg/people/</a>></div><div><<a href="http://surrey.academia.edu/EnriquePalancar">surrey.academia.edu/EnriquePalancar</a>></div><div><<a href="http://enriquepalancar.weebly.com/">enriquepalancar.weebly.com/</a>></div><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 23:10:11 -0500<br>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pepps@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU">pepps@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU</a><br>Subject: nominal-internal person agreement<br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG">LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG</a><br><br><div><font color="#000000">Hello all,<br><br>This query is on behalf of Steve Wechsler:<br><br>It has been noted that (at least some) Bantu languages have person<br>agreement inside certain Quantified Noun Phrases:<br><br>Thina s-onke si-fik-ile (Zu<span></span>lu; Doke 1963:94, cited in<br>Baker 2008:115)<br>we 1pl-all 1pl-arrive-perf<br>'We have all arrived.'<br><br>The quantifier onke 'all' agrees with thina 'we' in person (and<br>number). This is said to be typologically rare since adnominals such<br>as quantifiers do not normally agree in person. I would be interested<br>in any examples of such apparently nominal-internal person agreement<br>in Bantu or other languages. In particular, I wonder if phrases like<br>[we 1pl-all] can occur in all nominal positions in the sentence (such<br>as object position), or rather tend to be sentence-initial.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Steve Wechsler<br></font><font color="#0E37A5"><u><a href="mailto:wechsler@mail.utexas.edu">wechsler@mail.utexas.edu</a></u></font></div></div></div></div></span></blockquote></div><br><div>
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