<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: courier new,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #000000'>Cf. also the title of Deborah Tannen's book about mothers and daughter in conversations: "Are you wearing THAT?"<br><br><br><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From: </b>"E. Bashir" <ebashir@YAHOO.COM><br><b>To: </b>LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG<br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, February 1, 2013 9:32:44 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: query: grammaticalization go/be.in > negation<br><br><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt">And, from English, "Why did you go and do that?" (something considered undesirable)<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Hartmut Haberland <hartmut@RUC.DK><br> <b><strong>To:</strong></b> LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, February 1, 2013 12:12 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: query: grammaticalization
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<div class="yiv1386644677moz-cite-prefix">Very much à propos, I just got a mail from our departmental secretary (the language is Danish)<br>
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Min datter er desværre gået hen og blevet syg<br>
My daughter has unfortunately gone DIRECT and become ill<br>
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You couldn't say that with <i>rask</i> 'well' - unless you are waiting for an inheritance and the person you expected to die got well again.<br>
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(This works the same way without the <i>desværre</i> 'unfortunately'.)<br>
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Hartmut Haberland<br>
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Den 01-02-2013 00:28, Nigel Vincent skrev:<br>
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Italian has a passive periphrasis constructed with the verb <i>andare</i> 'go' which can only be used with verbs which express a negative outcome. Thus:<br>
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La casa è andata distrutta 'the house was (lit. went) destroyed'<br>
La lettera è andata perduta 'the letter got (went) lost'<br>
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but not:<br>
*La casa è andata costruita 'the house went built'<br>
*La lettera è andata trovata 'the house went found'<br>
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Nigel<br>
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Professor Nigel Vincent, FBA<br>
Professor Emeritus of General & Romance Linguistics<br>
The University of Manchester<br>
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Vice-President for Research & HE Policy, The British Academy<br>
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Linguistics & English Language<br>
School of Arts, Languages and Cultures<br>
The University of Manchester<br>
Manchester M13 9PL<br>
UK<br>
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http://www.llc.manchester.ac.uk/subjects/lel/staff/nigel-vincent/<br>
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