<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Don<div><br></div><div>The key question is the criterion by which you are setting up the two categories of nouns. If it's their morphology, then "inflectional class" is fine. If it's syntax (agreement) then "agreement class" is a first step till you can take the analysis further. (Since agreement controllers are nominal, that term is fine.)</div><div><br></div><div>When looking for possible semantic correlates, there are plenty to look for, though the usual suspects are of course sex and animacy. As early as de la Grasserie (1898) other contributing semantic motivations such as size were suggested, though his work has tended to be overlooked.</div><div><br></div><div>Best, Grev</div><div>(Greville Corbett, Surrey Morphology Group).</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 10 May 2013, at 12:15, "Bakker, Dik" <<a href="mailto:D.Bakker@UVA.NL">D.Bakker@UVA.NL</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Don,<br><br>I am not aware of any general term, but I think noun class<br>IS a/the neutral term. I think one should use it, maybe with<br>a footnote or short remark motivating it the way you do <br>in your message ('maybe historically based on semantics,<br>but synchronically not any longer etc', in fact just as in<br>many languages where, in the case of a two- or three-way system,<br>gender is still the term, even if the vast majority of nouns have no <br>(real) gender whatsoever, and some have the 'wrong' type, <br>such as 'meisje' 'girl' in dutch, which has neuter rather than <br>feminine gender, since it is originally derived from a diminutive <br>(meid-DIM), but no longer analysed as such.<br><br>Best,<br><br>Dik<br><br><br>Dik Bakker<br>Dept. of General Linguistics<br>Universities of Amsterdam & Lancaster<br>tel (+31) 35 544 75 78<br><a href="http://www.uva.nl/profiel/d.bakker">http://www.uva.nl/profiel/d.bakker</a><br><br>Societas Linguistica Europaea<br>Secretary/Treasurer<br>http://www.societaslinguistica.eu/<br>http://www.linguisticsociety.eu/<br><br>________________________________________<br>Van: Discussion List for ALT [LINGTYP@listserv.linguistlist.org] namens Don Killian [donald.killian@HELSINKI.FI]<br>Verzonden: vrijdag 10 mei 2013 10:19<br>To: LINGTYP@listserv.linguistlist.org<br>Onderwerp: Gender and Noun Class<br><br>Dear all,<br><br>I have read quite a number of books and articles by this point on this<br>subject, but despite everything I haven't been able to come to a<br>conclusion on something, so I thought to ask the list for suggestions<br>(particularly since some of the authors on the subject are on this list!).<br><br>The difference between gender and noun classes seems to be mostly<br>tradition rather than actual linguistic differentiations (perhaps noun<br>classes are generally viewed to have more categories, but even that<br>isn't absolute), and I've run into a terminology problem with a current<br>grammatical description I'm working on... mainly on what might be a more<br>neutral term incorporating both of these ideas.<br><br>Uduk differentiates all nouns into two categories which are for the most<br>part arbitrary, both phonologically and semantically (in contrast to<br>Corbett's comment: "When we analyse assignment systems of languages from<br>different families we find that genders always have a semantic core.")<br><br>As Uduk is NOT using semantics as the main criteria for differentiation<br>(at least not synchronically), I would like to use a more neutral term<br>than gender or noun class to refer to these categories. Each time I have<br>used gender or noun class, a number of readers have associated<br>biological gender/animacy with the first or Bantu-style noun class<br>systems with the second, and it can often end up detracting from my<br>focus. I'd rather avoid any sort of general debate on what a noun<br>class/gender system actually is, and instead focus on the actual<br>grammatical system of Uduk.<br><br>Hence my question to the list.. IS there a more neutral term than noun<br>class or gender to refer to grammatical categories of nouns in a<br>language? Agreement class isn't quite adequate because it also doesn't<br>necessarily refer to this being a nominal property (and noun agreement<br>class is too cumbersome of a term). Nominal category is awkward,<br>although possible.<br><br>I'm open to further suggestions people have.<br><br>Best,<br><br>Don<br><br><br>--<br>Don Killian<br>Researcher in African Linguistics<br>Department of Modern Languages<br>PL 24 (Unioninkatu 40)<br>FI-00014 University of Helsinki<br>+358 (0)44 5016437<br></blockquote></div><br><div>
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