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<p class="MsoNormal"><big>Don,<o:p></o:p></big></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><big><o:p> </o:p></big></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><big>First, my understanding of what Corbett
means when he says “<span
style="mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times;mso-fareast-font-family:
"Times
New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">genders always
have a semantic
core</span>” is not that <span
style="mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Times;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">semantics
is the main criterion for differentiation</span>, just that
there is a semantic
core.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>For example,
many languages have a
masculine-feminine distinction that is largely arbitrary for
more than 95% of
the nouns, but for which there is a small number of nouns
where the gender
assignment is based on semantic male versus female, which
constitutes the
semantic core.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Hence
you would need to
tell us more about gender in Uduk to provide a basis for
saying that Uduk
differs from other languages with gender.<o:p></o:p></big></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><big>Second, for any choice of label, it is
always a specific
category in a specific language to which the label is
attached.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>You can use
a term like gender for this
category in Uduk and explain what the Uduk category is like to
circumvent
assumptions people may make about gender in Uduk.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>If you do that and some
readers continue to
make assumptions that don’t fit Uduk, it will only be because
they have not
read what you have said.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Using
some
other label would be far more confusing and misleading than
using gender or
noun class.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>When a
category in a language
deviates from prototypical instances of similar categories in
other languages,
it is always better to use a familiar term and explain
immediately how the
category in one’s language is different from similar
categories in other
language than to use a new label.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>The
most opaque descriptions of languages are generally those that
insist on using
novel labels for categories.<o:p></o:p></big></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><big>I hope this helps,<o:p></o:p></big></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><big><o:p> </o:p></big></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><big>Matthew</big><o:p></o:p></p>
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<![endif]--><!--StartFragment--><!--EndFragment-->On 5/10/13 11:19 AM,
Don Killian wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:518CBB85.7060202@helsinki.fi" type="cite">Dear
all,
<br>
<br>
I have read quite a number of books and articles by this point on
this subject, but despite everything I haven't been able to come
to a conclusion on something, so I thought to ask the list for
suggestions (particularly since some of the authors on the subject
are on this list!).
<br>
<br>
The difference between gender and noun classes seems to be mostly
tradition rather than actual linguistic differentiations (perhaps
noun classes are generally viewed to have more categories, but
even that isn't absolute), and I've run into a terminology problem
with a current grammatical description I'm working on... mainly on
what might be a more neutral term incorporating both of these
ideas.
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Uduk differentiates all nouns into two categories which are for
the most part arbitrary, both phonologically and semantically (in
contrast to Corbett's comment: "When we analyse assignment systems
of languages from different families we find that genders always
have a semantic core.")
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As Uduk is NOT using semantics as the main criteria for
differentiation (at least not synchronically), I would like to use
a more neutral term than gender or noun class to refer to these
categories. Each time I have used gender or noun class, a number
of readers have associated biological gender/animacy with the
first or Bantu-style noun class systems with the second, and it
can often end up detracting from my focus. I'd rather avoid any
sort of general debate on what a noun class/gender system actually
is, and instead focus on the actual grammatical system of Uduk.
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Hence my question to the list.. IS there a more neutral term than
noun class or gender to refer to grammatical categories of nouns
in a language? Agreement class isn't quite adequate because it
also doesn't necessarily refer to this being a nominal property
(and noun agreement class is too cumbersome of a term). Nominal
category is awkward, although possible.
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I'm open to further suggestions people have.
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Best,
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Don
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