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If one follows the Structuralist methodology, and defines verbs as words that can be predicative and can take negation and aspect marking (there is no tense in Chinese), then the relevant forms count as verbs. Whether or not they can be further distinguished

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<div>In reality I don't subscribe to this methodology. As Bill Croft has shown, assuming there must be abstract global categories that each word will fit into involves methodological opportunism, is unnecessary, and unhelpful. As Y. R. Chao showed in his 1968

 Grammar of Spoken Chinese, the function of a word depends on the construction it occurs in:<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "> </span></div>

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</span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.5pt;

mso-fareast-font-family:SimSun">guay</span></i><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:SimSun"> is an adjective in

</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:新細明體;mso-ascii-font-family:"Times New Roman";

mso-fareast-language:ZH-TW">可是這很怪</span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="font-size:10.5pt;

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</span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:SimSun">Keesh jeh heen guay</span></i><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:

SimSun"> ‘But this is odd’, an adverb

 in </span><span lang="ZH-TW" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:新細明體;mso-ascii-font-family:"Times New Roman";

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</span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:SimSun">guay nankann</span></i><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:10.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:SimSun"> de ‘rather ugly’, and a transitive verb

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<div><!--EndFragment-->We should then just go with the constructions, and see what function the form has in the particular function, and not worry about abstract global categories. See my arguments for this in the following paper:</div>

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 Conference on Sinology, edited by Tseng Chiu-yu, 33-57. Taiwan: Academia Sinica.<o:p></o:p></span></div>

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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; ">“Impressive as the progress has been, science has by no means worked itself out of a job. It is soberly true that science has, to date, succeeded in solving a bewildering number of relatively easy

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<div>Maybe we can classify <span style="text-align:left;text-transform:none;line-height:24px;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal">腥臊羶香 into a marginal kind of verbs. But they still

 have a lot of syntactic features totally different from the examples in Garifuna and German:</span></div>

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 they can modify a noun, e.g. ...味儿、气</span></span></div>

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 they also ban be used as a noun</span></span></div>

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 they can't take any valent in any way, and there's no way we can complement it with a valent like the examples in Garifuna and German. </span></span></div>

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腥臊羶香</span>can be used as adjectives and nouns, but not verbs. Since what we're talking about is in verbs, I don't think these Chinese words are good examples.</div>

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 that of urine or bad body odor'</span></span></div>

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It has been observed that such concepts as SEE, HEAR, TOUCH, TASTE and SMELL are in some languages encoded together in just a couple of verbs while other languages have more (see Åke Viberg's "Verbs of Perception" in

<i>Language Typology and Universals: An International Handbook </i>(2001)). Furthermore, there may be a distinction between 'experience' and 'source' and for the latter, the source may be included in a peripheral NP, e.g. 'my hands smell

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