<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi Rachel,</div><div><br></div><div>I think you're too swiftly dismissing the possessor raising / external possession data. A perusal of Payne & Barshi will bring up many examples in which a thoroughly NP-embedded possessor assumes verbal indexing. Given that 'being treated as an argument of the verb' is what you're hunting for, at least in terms of some diagnostics (like the one you cite), Dismissing examples that meet that criterion seems unhelpful in your search.</div><div><br>-Mark</div><div><br>On 22 Aug 2014, at 3:53 pm, Rachel Nordlinger <<a href="mailto:racheln@UNIMELB.EDU.AU">racheln@UNIMELB.EDU.AU</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I am looking for languages in which verbal and/or clause-level agreement morphology (or bound pronoun system) is able to cross-reference an
<span style="font-weight: bold;">internal</span> NP modifier. In other words, constructions where the agreement morphology is not cross-referencing the NP itself, but something
<span style="font-weight: bold;">inside</span> the NP. External possession constructions may appear to be an instance of this, but there is usually good evidence not to treat the possessor (which is cross-referenced) as an internal NP modifier in these cases,
but rather to treat it as the argument of the verb itself (hence the traditional term ‘possessor raising’). So I am not after examples like this. </div>
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Rather, what I am looking for are examples in which the cross-referenced element can be clearly shown to still be internal to the NP, even though it is cross-referenced. Consider the following
example from Gurindji (Australia) (data courtesy of Dr. Felicity Meakins):</div>
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</span></span><!--[endif]--><b><i><span lang="EN-US">[Ngayiny</span></i></b></a><b><i><sub>b</sub></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US">-ju karu-ngku]</span></i></b><b><i><sub>a</sub></i></b><i><span lang="EN-US"> ngu=<b>yi</b></span></i><b><i><sub>b</sub></i></b><b><i><span lang="EN-US">=lu</span></i></b><b><i><sub>a</sub></i></b><i><span lang="EN-US">
tawirrjip</span></i><i><span lang="EN-US"> </span></i><i><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></i><i><span lang="EN-US">pa-ni marluka-wu kurrurij.</span></i></p>
<p class="Gloss"><span lang="EN-US"> 1MIN.DAT-ERG child-ERG AUX=1MIN.O=3AUG.S pelt <o:p></o:p></span><span lang="EN-US">hit-PST</span><span lang="EN-GB"> old.man-DAT car</span></p>
<p class="Gloss"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span> My children pelted the old man's car (with rocks).</p>
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">In this example there are two cross-referencing bound pronouns: -lu which cross-references the (augmented number) subject ‘My children’, and –yi which cross-references the possessor internal to
the subject ‘my'. That the possessor remains a modifier within the subject NP is shown clearly by the fact that it carries dative case, and agrees with the head noun ‘child-ERG’ in ergative case as well. Thus, what we have here is a construction in which
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I am aware of an old paper by Stump and Yadav (1988) that discusses data from Maithili very similar to the Gurindji case shown above, and the brief discussion of ‘verb agreement with possessives’
in Corbett (2006: 61) which mentions a couple of languages including Jarawara and Tabasaran. However, I am keen to find more examples, if possible.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">If any of you are aware of other languages that do something like this, I would appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction. If there is sufficient interest, I will post a summary.</div>
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<div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Rachel</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -36pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Corbett, Greville G. 2006.
<i>Agreement</i>. Cambridge: CUP.</font></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt; text-indent: -36pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Calibri" size="3">Stump, Gregory and Ramawatar Yadav. 1988. Maithili verb agreement and the control agreement principle. <i>Linguistics Faculty Publications</i>,
Paper 37. <a href="http://uknowledge.uky.edu/lin_facpub/37">http://uknowledge.uky.edu/lin_facpub/37</a>.<o:p></o:p></font></span></p>
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