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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:DE">Here's a
couple of
similar examples from Central Kurdish (North Iraq; West Iranian,
Iranian,
Indo-European), with some explanations below:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:DE">ba</span><span
style="font-family:"Charis SIL";mso-ansi-language:DE">čk-ak-ān=ī<span
style="mso-tab-count:3"> </span>a-xward-im<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Charis
SIL";mso-ansi-language:
DE">child-def-pl=3sg:A<span style="mso-tab-count:2">
</span>prog-eat.pst-1sg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Charis
SIL";mso-ansi-language:
DE">'It used to eat my children' <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Charis
SIL";mso-ansi-language:
DE"><o:p> <br>
<br>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Charis
SIL";mso-ansi-language:
DE">šēt-aka<span style="mso-tab-count:3"> </span>das=ī<span
style="mso-tab-count:2"> </span>gazī-m<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Charis
SIL";mso-ansi-language:
DE">madman-def<span style="mso-tab-count:2"> </span>hand=3sg.A<span
style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>bite.pst-1sg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Charis
SIL";mso-ansi-language:
DE">'the madman bit my hand'<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:DE">(both
originally from
MacKenzie, David. 1961. Kurdish dialect studies Vol. 1. OUP, p.
115, and
discussed by me in Alignment change in Iranian languages. A
construction
grammar approach (2008) Berlin: Mouton, p. 294; see also Ergin
Öpengin's 2013
thesis on Mukri Kurdish for further discussion)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:DE">The paradigm
of verbal
suffixes on past-tense transitive verbs (here showing 1sg)
regularly index
benefactives, and other kinds of +human, but non-agentive, and
generally indirectly affected, participants. That (rather messy)
group happens to include possessors. There
are also person effects here, though not fully understood.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<span style="mso-ansi-language:DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:DE">However, the
crucial
syntactic point about the Central Kurdish system is that the
participant thus
cross-indexed cannot be represented clause-internally by another
element, so somewhat different to Felicity's Gurindji exs.; if
so inclined, you might want to consider these suffixes as
pronominal, rather than agreement. <span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Nevertheless, the
similarities to the kinds of things that other people have been
posting are
sufficient to merit comparison,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:DE">cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language:DE">Geoff<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<td>Re: Verbal agreement with NP-internal modifiers</td>
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<td>Sat, 23 Aug 2014 23:06:06 +0000</td>
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Good point. In fact there is little distinction in Gurindji
between these types of possessive constructions (which we’re
calling ‘oblique possessives’) and benefactives,
malefactives. </div>
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sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
Ngu=yi=lu <span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"></span>ma-ni <span
class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">
</span>ngayiny <span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"></span>warlu</div>
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CAT=1MIN.O=3AUG.S<span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"> </span>do-PST<span
class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">
</span>1MIN.DAT<span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="white-space:pre"> </span>fire</div>
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“They made my fire.”</div>
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sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
“They made a fire for me.”</div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri,
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“They made a fire on me.”</div>
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<br>
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sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
Nonetheless the oblique possessives are clearly distinct
constructions because they can (1) occur embedded in a
benefactive/malefactive, or (2) co-occur with a benefactive.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: Verbal
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial,
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question I have about many of the examples cited in
this discussion. How do you know the relevant verb
marking is really “agreeing with”/“cross-referencing”
an NP internal element, or whether it just happens to
be coreferential with it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif; color: blue;">I’m thinking of English
adversative constructions like: “My car died on me,”
in which “me” just happens to be coreferential with
the possessor of the subject. One can also say “My car
died on her” if, e.g., someone else were driving the
car. Or “Her car died on me,” etc. While the
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“dative of interest” constructions. If one were to
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 23, 2014 4:58 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: Verbal agreement with
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Rachel, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The key to the Tangut person
marking, and many other Tibeto-Burman systems, like
Rawang/Dulong and to some extent Qiang, is that the
system is hierarchical or includes a hierarchical
component. So the marking is not really of role, but
of person. So, for example, in Rawang/Dulong, first
person is marked in a clause regardless of the role
the referent has, as direct argument, possessor, or
whatever. In Qiang there is a set of non-actor
person markings that can even mark a person not
involved in the clause as an argument at all, as in
example (453.a) in the attached page from my Qiang
grammar (the second clause, where there is no second
person argument, but as the second person will be
affected by her leaving, it takes second person
non-actor marking--I call it "non-actor" marking
because there is also actor marking).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hope this helps.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 23 Aug, 2014, at 4:59 pm,
Guillaume Jacques <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal">In the
Sino-Tibetan/Trans-Himalayan family, several
languages that have been described with
possessor raising might be cases of what you
are looking for.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In the extinct Tangut
language, the verb can agree with a SAP
possessor marked with the genitive (Jacques
2014:224)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">xjow²tɕʰjwo¹ dʑjɨwji¹
[nji¹ jij¹ gji²bjij²] dja²-sja¹-wji¹-nja²-sji¹<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Fengchang ERG [you GEN
wife] DIR-kill-AUX-2SG-PFV<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Another case is Jingpo,
which has a special set of agreement markers
(Dai et al. 1990:382) for possessors, which
can be used with both stative and dynamic
verbs, and which are distinct from the regular
set of agreement markers:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[nyéʔ pālọ̄ng]
grài hprò lìʔāi<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1SG:POSS clothes very
be.white POSS:1SG:IPFV<o:p></o:p></p>
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white.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[shi ńnpyé]
grài tsòm lùʔāi<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3SG:POSS backsack very
be.beautiful POSS:3SG:IPFV<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">His backsack is very
beautiful.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The agreement markers above
differ from those for 1SG and 3SG S argument,
which are n̄ngāi and āi respectively. Here
again, the possessors are marked with a
possessive form, and are part of the NP.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Bickel (2000) also
discusses related phenomena in Hakha Lai.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Guillaume<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">References<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Bickel, Balthasar (2000).
On the syntax of agreement in Tibeto-Burman.
Studies in Language, 24:583-609<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.zora.uzh.ch/76615/1/Bickel2000Syntax.pdf">http://www.zora.uzh.ch/76615/1/Bickel2000Syntax.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jacques, Guillaume 2014 <i>Esquisse
de phonologie et de morphologie historique
du tangoute</i>. Global Oriental. Leiden:
Brill.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dai, Qingxia and Xu Xijian
1990. <i>Jingpoyu yufa</i>. Beijing:
Zhongyang minzuxueyuan chubanshe.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">2014-08-22 7:53 GMT+02:00
Rachel Nordlinger <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:racheln@unimelb.edu.au"
target="_blank">racheln@unimelb.edu.au</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;">Dear LINGTYP-ers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;">I am looking for languages
in which verbal and/or clause-level
agreement morphology (or bound pronoun
system) is able to cross-reference an
<b>internal</b> NP modifier. In other
words, constructions where the agreement
morphology is not cross-referencing the
NP itself, but something
<b>inside</b> the NP. External
possession constructions may appear to
be an instance of this, but there is
usually good evidence not to treat the
possessor (which is cross-referenced) as
an internal NP modifier in these cases,
but rather to treat it as the argument
of the verb itself (hence the
traditional term ‘possessor raising’).
So I am not after examples like this. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;">Rather, what I am looking
for are examples in which the
cross-referenced element can be clearly
shown to still be internal to the NP,
even though it is cross-referenced.
Consider the following example from
Gurindji (Australia) (data courtesy of
Dr. Felicity Meakins):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
name="x_147fe8cc28865f02__Ref252805349"></a><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
name="x_147fe8cc28865f02__Ref252526292"></a><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">(1)</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><b><i><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;">[Ngayiny</span></i></b><b><i><sub><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">b</span></sub></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">-ju
karu-ngku]<sub>a</sub></span></i></b><i><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;"> ngu=<b>yi<sub>b</sub>=lu<sub>a</sub></b>
tawirrjip
pa-ni marluka-wu kurrurij.</span></i><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">
1MIN.DAT-ERG child-ERG
AUX=1MIN.O=3AUG.S pelt
hit-PST</span><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" lang="EN-GB"> old.man-DAT
car</span><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">
My children pelted the old man's car
(with rocks).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;">In this example there are
two cross-referencing bound pronouns:
-lu which cross-references the
(augmented number) subject ‘My
children’, and –yi which
cross-references the possessor internal
to the subject ‘my'. That the possessor
remains a modifier within the subject NP
is shown clearly by the fact that it
carries dative case, and agrees with the
head noun ‘child-ERG’ in ergative case
as well. Thus, what we have here is a
construction in which an NP-internal
modifier is cross-referenced with
morphology otherwise reserved for
clausal arguments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;">I am aware of an old paper
by Stump and Yadav (1988) that discusses
data from Maithili very similar to the
Gurindji case shown above, and the brief
discussion of ‘verb agreement with
possessives’ in Corbett (2006: 61) which
mentions a couple of languages including
Jarawara and Tabasaran. However, I am
keen to find more examples, if possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;">If any of you are aware of
other languages that do something like
this, I would appreciate it if you could
point me in the right direction. If
there is sufficient interest, I will
post a summary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="xmsonormal"
style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;">Rachel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="xmsonormal"
style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;">Corbett, Greville G.
2006.
<i>Agreement</i>. Cambridge: CUP.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"
style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;">Stump, Gregory and
Ramawatar Yadav. 1988. Maithili verb
agreement and the control agreement
principle. <i>Linguistics Faculty
Publications</i>, Paper 37.
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://uknowledge.uky.edu/lin_facpub/37"
target="_blank">http://uknowledge.uky.edu/lin_facpub/37</a>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">--
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">Rachel
Nordlinger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">Associate
Professor and Reader<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:
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Melbourne<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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