<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>That´s right, Hannu, this is still taught as a difference in many French grammars, but in present spoken French the risk of ambiguity has been cut off, as people would way</div><div><br></div><div>For 'I'm afraid he'll come'</div><div>´je crains qu'il vienne'</div><div><br></div><div>(Or rather 'j'ai peur qu'il vienne' - as 'craindre' is high register)</div><div><br></div><div>And for 'I'm afraid he'll NOT come':</div><div>´je crains qu'il ne vienne PAS'</div><div><br></div><div>(Or rather 'j'ai peur qu'il vienne pas'),</div><div><br></div><div>So that only the negative meaning is nowadays distinctively marked.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>M.M.Jocelyne FERNANDEZ-VEST</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Envoyé de mon iPhone</div><div><br>Le 19 mars 2015 à 09:21, "Hannu Tommola" <<a href="mailto:Hannu.Tommola@uta.fi">Hannu.Tommola@uta.fi</a>> a écrit :<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>As Hartmut, I feel a clarification of the original query is needed here. I know that my competence in French is poor, but isn't it that there is a difference between the following utterances:<br>
<br>
French:<br>
<br>
Je crains qu'il ne vienne<br>
'I'm afraid he'll come'<br>
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and<br>
<br>
Je crains qu'il ne vienne PAS.<br>
'I'm afraid he'll NOT come'<br>
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Similarly in Russian:<br>
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Ja bojus', chto on pridët<br>
'I'm afraid he'll come'<br>
<br>
and<br>
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Ja bojus', chto on NE pridët<br>
'I'm afraid he'll NOT come'<br>
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Best wishes,<br>
Hannu<br>
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Quoting Hartmut Haberland <<a href="mailto:hartmut@ruc.dk">hartmut@ruc.dk</a>>:<br>
> I need a clarification here. The Japanese sentence can be paraphrased<br>
> as: Something bad may have happened. I am afraid of that. But do the<br>
> Hindi and French sentences mean: He may come. I am afraid of that. Or:<br>
> He may not come. I am afraid of that. ?<br>
> It could just be a question whether the complementizer means that or if<br>
> (like Japanese ka); the latter would require a negation that disappears<br>
> when the complementizer is rendered by a that-like conjunction in a<br>
> different language. <br>
> Hartmut<br>
><br>
> Sendt fra min iPhone<br>
><br>
> Den 19/03/2015 kl. 08.17 skrev "Anvita Abbi" <<a href="mailto:anvitaabbi@gmail.com">anvitaabbi@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> <br>
>> Dear All,<br>
>> Hindi is one language with such structures. One example is given here.<br>
>> /mujhe Dar hai ki vo aa na <br>
>> jaye/<br>
>> 1sg.Dat fear AUX COMP 3sg come NEG come<br>
>> Literal: 'I am afraid that he does not come'<br>
>> <br>
>> Anvita<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Prof. Anvita Abbi<br>
>><br>
>> Director: Centre for Oral and Tribal Literature<br>
>><br>
>> Sahitya Akademi<br>
>><br>
>> Rabindra Bhavan<br>
>><br>
>> 35, Ferozeshah Road<br>
>><br>
>> New Delhi 110 001<br>
>> <a href="http://www.andamanese.net" target="_blank">www.andamanese.net</a>[1]<br>
>> President: Linguistic Society of India<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Michael Daniel<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:misha.daniel@gmail.com">misha.daniel@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> Dear all,<br>
>>><br>
>>> below is a letter I post on behalf of Nina Dobrushina. If you<br>
>>> have any references or ideas that you could share, please send them to<br>
>>> her: <a href="mailto:nina.dobrushina@gmail.com">nina.dobrushina@gmail.com</a> (also in the copy above)<br>
>>><br>
>>> Michael Daniel<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dear all,<br>
>>><br>
>>> could you give me hints on empirical evidence and literature<br>
>>> about languages where the predicates of fear (?fear?, ?to be afraid?,<br>
>>> ?to worry? and the like) (tend to) have negation in the complement<br>
>>> clause? I am aware of Russian, French (and other Romance languages),<br>
>>> Japanese, and some Turkic languages like Kumyk. Two examples are<br>
>>> provided below.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> French:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Je crain-s que la lettre n? arrive pas<br>
>>> I fear COMPL DEF letter NEG come.SUBJ.3SG NEG<br>
>>><br>
>>> LT: 'I am afraid that the letter does not arrive'<br>
>>> (less literal 'I am afraid that the letter may not arrive')<br>
>>><br>
>>> Japanese (example courtesy Tasaku Tsunoda):<br>
>>><br>
>>> Nanika waru-i koto=ga <br>
>>> oki-nak-at-ta=ka sinpai=da<br>
>>> something bad-NPST thing=NOM <br>
>>> happen-NEG-LINK-PST=Q worried=COP.NPNST<br>
>>> <br>
>>> LT: ?[I] am worried whether something bad did not happen.?<br>
>>> FT: ?I am worried that something bad happened.?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Nina Dobrushina<br>
>>><br>
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<div class="impComposeSignature">Hannu Tommola<br>
Professor emer. of Russian Language (Translation Theory and Practice)<br>
School of Language, Translation and Literary Studies<br>
FIN-33014 University of Tampere, Finland</div>
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