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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Dear Johanna,<div><br></div><div>Isn't there misunderstanding concerning the place of Clause 3 in the structure? Where does the third clause attach in your example?</div><div><br></div><div>Is it:</div><div>John told me [to be here [when he carried out his new project]<span style="font-size: 12pt;">] (what I meant)</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">or rather:</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">John told me [to be here] [when he carried out a new project]?</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Thanks a lot,</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br>Sasha</span></div><div><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 12:44:25 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Sequence of tenses and triclausal structures<br>From: johanna@berkeley.edu<br>To: alexander_letuchiy@hotmail.com<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Dear Alexander,<br><br></div>Actually in English it's:<br><br></div>John told me to be here when he carried out his new project<br><br></div>or ... when he was going to carry out... or ... was going to be carrying out ...<br><br></div>Best wishes,<br><br></div>Johanna Nichols<br></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Alexander Letuchiy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alexander_letuchiy@hotmail.com" target="_blank">alexander_letuchiy@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<div dir="ltr">Dear colleagues,<div><br></div><div>There are many languages manifesting 'sequence of tenses' system (e.g., English, Latin and so on). This means that the tense-marking of the matrix verb influences the tense-marking of the embedded verb:</div><div><br></div><div>"John TELLS me that he WILL carry out a new project".</div><div>"John TOLD me that he WOULD carry out a new project". (the tense marking in the embedded clause changes to future in the past, because the verb in the matrix clause is marked for one of the past tenses).</div><div><br></div><div>What I am interested in, are triclausal structures, where the sequence of tense acts from Clause 1 to Clause 3, missing Clause 2, where the verb is marked for a non-alternating form, e.g., infinitive:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:14.5600004196167px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">MY QUESTION: Is it true that in languages with sequence of tenses, in structures like:</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:14.5600004196167px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><br></span></div><div><span style="line-height:14.5600004196167px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">"John TOLD me (Clause 1) to be here (Clause 2) when he WOULD (Clause 3) carry out a new project"</span></div><div><span style="line-height:14.5600004196167px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><br></span></div><div><span style="line-height:14.5600004196167px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">sequence of tenses always acts from Clause 1 to Clause 3, just as in biclausal structures like "John told me that he </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:14.5600004196167px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:14.5600004196167px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">would carry out a new project"? Or are structures like "John told me to be here when he WILL carry out / CARRIES OUT a new project" also possible?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:14.5600004196167px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:14.5600004196167px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">Any comments and / or examples from people speaking any languages with SoT (including English) are </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:14.5600004196167px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:14.5600004196167px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">welcome.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:14.5600004196167px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:14.5600004196167px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">Best regards and thanks in advance,</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:14.5600004196167px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><br>Alexander Letuchiy, Moscow</span></div></div>
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