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<DIV>Pardon mine apparent obtuseness, but how is `to be here' an imperative form? I might agree that it has imperative *force*, semantically, but to me it looks like an infinitive, as far as form is concerned.</DIV>
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<B>Date: </B>Fri, 1 May 2015 12:57:08 +0000 (UTC)<br>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: [Lingtyp] Sequence of tenses and triclausal structures<br>
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<DIV id=yui_3_16_0_1_1430483896118_20897><SPAN id=yui_3_16_0_1_1430483896118_20905>For this scenario, I would say, "John told me to be here (imperative) when he carries out (present) the/his (note: definite, not indefinite) new project." <br>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Lingtyp] Sequence of tenses and triclausal structures<br>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Dear colleagues,
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<DIV>There are many languages manifesting 'sequence of tenses' system (e.g., English, Latin and so on). This means that the tense-marking of the matrix verb influences the tense-marking of the embedded verb:</DIV>
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<DIV>"John TELLS me that he WILL carry out a new project".</DIV>
<DIV>"John TOLD me that he WOULD carry out a new project". (the tense marking in the embedded clause changes to future in the past, because the verb in the matrix clause is marked for one of the past tenses).</DIV>
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<DIV>What I am interested in, are triclausal structures, where the sequence of tense acts from Clause 1 to Clause 3, missing Clause 2, where the verb is marked for a non-alternating form, e.g., infinitive:</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-SIZE: 12pt">MY QUESTION: Is it true that in languages with sequence of tenses, in structures like:</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)">"John TOLD me (Clause 1) to be here (Clause 2) when he WOULD (Clause 3) carry out a new project"</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255)">sequence of tenses always acts from Clause 1 to Clause 3, just as in biclausal structures like "John told me that he </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-SIZE: 12pt">would carry out a new project"? Or are structures like "John told me to be here when he WILL carry out / CARRIES OUT a new project" also possible?</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Any comments and / or examples from people speaking any languages with SoT (including English) are </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-SIZE: 12pt">welcome.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Best regards and thanks in advance,</SPAN></DIV>
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Alexander Letuchiy, Moscow</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><br>
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