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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear Kilu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m pretty sure I’ve seen this in a few Meso-Melanesian languages, though I can’t bring to mind off hand which ones. I’ll try to have a look and post again.
It’s hard to say why this happens, but I suspect that they are collapsing into a non-3<sup>rd</sup> person category. I suspect that 1incl is not involved because that category is a little more complex than simply a group of individuals including one or other
of the SAPs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">best<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Lingtyp [mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kilu von Prince<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 23 June 2015 10:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zachary O'Hagan<br>
<b>Cc:</b> lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] uses of first plural exclusive pronouns<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm not aware of the exact phenomenon you're looking for, but I'd like to piggyback on your question, because I have an observation that I find much weirder and have so far not been able to make any sense of:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In Dalkalaen (Oceanic, spoken in Vanuatu), the first person exclusive pronouns for paucal and plural number are being collapsed with the corresponding second person pronouns. Are there other languages with this property? Does anyone have
a theory as to why this might happen?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kilu<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Zachary O'Hagan <<a href="mailto:zohagan@berkeley.edu" target="_blank">zohagan@berkeley.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear colleagues,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is known that first plural inclusive pronouns can be used for polite first- or second-person reference in some languages. I am searching for instances in any language in which a first plural *exclusive* pronoun can be used for polite
*third*-person reference, or for instances in which a third-person pronoun can be shown to originate historically in a first plural exclusive pronoun. Possible references are much appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Zach O'Hagan<span style="color:#888888"><br clear="all">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:#888888">Zachary O'Hagan<br>
Graduate Student<br>
Department of Linguistics<br>
University of California, Berkeley<br>
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