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<div>Wrt the larger issue, Grev, about things being "the same" I am not so sanguine. Many people think there is a passive construction that is universal but I think that is mistaken. I am more concerned about over homogenization of typological/descriptive terms
than LaTeX. But I am sure you are too. The problem is when people begin thinking that there are "same contructions" - this can become self-fulfilling. Not always perhaps. </div>
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On Jul 6, 2015, at 09:23, "<a href="mailto:g.corbett@surrey.ac.uk">g.corbett@surrey.ac.uk</a>" <<a href="mailto:g.corbett@surrey.ac.uk">g.corbett@surrey.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div class="">small: changing commas to full stops for journal A, and then back to commas for journal B isn’t a great use of people’s time. Better we diversify our thinking rather than our reference formatting. Share the tools but diversify the products.</div>
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<div class="">larger: we don’t always realise which things are the same and which are different, and that’s a waste too. For instance, there are Africanists who believe that ‘pluractionals' are special to the languages of Africa. But they are what others call
‘verbal number’ and you can find that all over.</div>
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<div class="">And then there’s the worst case scenario:</div>
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<div class="">Can anybody tell me why everything must be standardized, unified, vereinheitlicht?</div>
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<div class="">Can’t people live with diversification / in a diversified world? </div>
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<div class="">Aren’t different styles the (necessary) result of different traditions, different discourse types and different views of the world?</div>
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<div class="">I seem not to know what modern typology is about. Traditional typology presumably wasn’t like that. </div>
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<div class="">Am 06.07.2015 um 12:38 schrieb Martin Haspelmath <<a href="mailto:haspelmath@eva.mpg.de" class="">haspelmath@eva.mpg.de</a>>:</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04.07.15 08:37, Kilu von Prince wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="">I agree that acceptance of articles in LaTeX format should be more widespread than it is at the moment. I may add that the style guides of many linguistics journals could be significantly improved if they incorporated more of the established best-practices
in typesetting that are automatically implemented by default LaTeX styles.</div>
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Moreover, it would be better if linguistics journals agreed on a single style guide, see
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.frank-m-richter.de/freescienceblog/2015/03/18/how-to-make-linguistics-publication-more-efficient-use-discipline-wide-style-rules/">
http://www.frank-m-richter.de/freescienceblog/2015/03/18/how-to-make-linguistics-publication-more-efficient-use-discipline-wide-style-rules/</a><br class="">
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These issues should ideally be discussed by a committee of linguistics editors, such as the LSA's CeLxJ (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://celxj.org/">http://celxj.org/</a>).<br class="">
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There will be a meeting of European linguistics editors just before the next SLE meeting in Leiden (see
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sle2015.eu/programme">http://sle2015.eu/programme</a>, "pre-conference mini-workshop"), which will primarily discuss other issues, but where we may decide to found such a committee of the SLE.<br class="">
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<div class="">Also, to share a related anecdote, it is sometimes in fact the editors rather than the publisher who insist on a submission in .doc format. I once submitted an articles to a Benjamins journal. When the editors requested a .doc version, I asked
them to speak with their publisher if they couldn't work with a LaTeX or PDF file. Then I learned that it was the editors themselves who needed the .doc file for their workflow during the revisions process. I'd like to appeal to editors to have mercy on their
LaTeX-using authors and try to develop a workflow that is compatible with PDFs. Converting LaTeX to .doc is time-consuming and depressing.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Guillaume Jacques <span dir="ltr" class="">
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<div class="">It is obvious to anyone who has learned LaTeX that word-processors like "word" or "open office" are completely inadapted to the typesetting of linguistics dissertations or articles. LaTeX is superior in particular for handling aligned glossed
examples (package gb4e), complex figures (tikz), Stammbäume, cross-references, bibliography, complex scripts and of course math formulas. I actually now require from all my new MA and PhD students to write their dissertations in LaTeX (in general, three days
are enough to master the most important commands).</div>
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<div class="">Fortunately, the number of linguistics journal and of publishers accepting LaTeX is now growing year after year. At the present moment, most if not all linguistics journals published by the following major publishers accept LaTeX submissions (only
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<div class="">Publishers that are still lagging behind with LaTeX include (we should collectively give them some pressure to catch up with the rest of the world):</div>
<div class="">Cambridge University Press (for instance, Journal of the IPA)</div>
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<div class="">Some journasl do not use LaTeX files, but will convert them for you (from my personal experience, Anthropological Linguistics and Journal of Chinese Linguistics)</div>
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<div class="">If you submit to a collective volume for Mouton de Gruyter or Benjamins, they should be able to handle a LaTeX submission even if most of the volume is in word, but the editors of the volume may have to insist a little bit.</div>
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After fighting with Microsoft Word for the past few weeks, I was wondering if there is any way we can find additional standards for article and chapter submission?<br class="">
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It seems that a majority of editors still have a fairly strict requirement of Microsoft Word and Times New Roman, even if the publisher itself is more open to other formats. Times New Roman is more flexible, but I have not had very much luck with alternatives
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This is a problem for more than one reason. The biggest problem I can see (in addition to the fact that both Word as well as Times New Roman are proprietary!) is that the technological requirements do not actually support the formatting requirements we suggest.
Neither Word nor Times New Roman support the IPA in its entirety.<br class="">
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While these problems do not affect all linguists (such as those who do not have certain sounds in their languages they work on), it definitely affects plenty of others.<br class="">
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For instance, there is no way to change glyph selection in Word, and <a> changes to <ɑ> when italicized. It is relatively common to italicize words when you mix languages in text. But if you are discussing a language which has both a and ɑ, this is problematic.
Furthermore, Word has no way of rendering the MH or HM tonal contours properly, in any font. Those symbols are only supported in Charis SIL and Doulos SIL fonts, and Word renders them incorrectly.<br class="">
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There are plenty of other difficulties (e.g. making a vowel chart), so these are just some examples.<br class="">
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I realize the main reason for using Word/TNR is simplicity and what people are used to, but I do find it problematic that our technology requirements do not support or make it easy to deal with common problems in our field.<br class="">
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Is there any way to change this? LaTeX does support almost everything I have ever needed, but I admit it is not always very easy to learn or use. I would be happy to hear alternative views or suggestions.<br class="">
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