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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I don’t think we need fear that Ethnologue will be discontinued by SIL. People like Joe and Barbara Grimes who pioneered this work have been strongly supported by their constituency who have appreciated the academic work of these people. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Les Bruce<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Lingtyp [mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Everett, Daniel<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 30, 2015 3:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> Martin Haspelmath<br><b>Cc:</b> lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Ethnologue goes for paid access<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>It is not at all clear that SIL is trying to make money. Maintaining these pages costs thousands of dollars per month and, as Martin says, SIL has no academic funding. Its funding comes from churches by and large and they have no particular interest in supporting non-mission related academics. I strongly urge the academic community to develop its own resources in this area. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>DLE<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Dec 30, 2015, at 16:28, Martin Haspelmath <<a href="mailto:haspelmath@shh.mpg.de">haspelmath@shh.mpg.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Yes, that's true, and here's the description: <a href="http://www.ethnologue.com/ethnoblog/m-paul-lewis/ethnologue-launches-subscription-service">http://www.ethnologue.com/ethnoblog/m-paul-lewis/ethnologue-launches-subscription-service</a><br><br>They say you can access seven data pages per month for free.<br><br>I don't find this surprising. Ethnologue (and the entire academic branch of SIL) has no proper academic funding, so it's normal that they are trying to make some money out of their flagship publication.<br><br>Incidentally, Glottolog has no proper funding either, but as it is now hosted by MPI-SHH in Jena (<a href="http://www.shh.mpg.de/48816/research_outline">http://www.shh.mpg.de/48816/research_outline</a>), at least its continued existence is assured for the next dozen years or so.<br><br>(I think we should try to tell our administrators that it makes little sense to try to sell academic publications. Instead, they should by properly funded by the academic publishers themselves, in order not to drive academics even further into <a href="http://www.frank-m-richter.de/freescienceblog/2015/12/18/is-our-scholarship-based-on-illegal-foundations/">questionable practices</a>.)<br><br>Martin<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 30.12.15 22:16, Peter Arkadiev wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>does any one know whether the access to the Ethnologue is going to be by paid subscription only? When trying to routinely access the information about a random language, I got a screen advertising paid subscription for $60 per year, and there is no way to bypass it and get access to the information which was freely available a week ago. This looks pretty distressing. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Best,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Peter<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Martin Haspelmath (<a href="mailto:haspelmath@shh.mpg.de">haspelmath@shh.mpg.de</a>)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Kahlaische Strasse 10 <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>D-07745 Jena <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>&<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Leipzig University<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Beethovenstrasse 15<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>D-04107 Leipzig <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Lingtyp mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org">Lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br><a href="http://listserv.linguistlist.org/mailman/listinfo/lingtyp">http://listserv.linguistlist.org/mailman/listinfo/lingtyp</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>