<div dir="ltr">It might interest you all that Steve Moitozo III said on twitter that this probably will only effect 5% of its users, based on actual Ethnologue user stats.<div><br></div><div><a href="http://humans-who-read-grammars.blogspot.com.au/2015/12/ethnologue-institutes-pay-wall-after-7.html">http://humans-who-read-grammars.blogspot.com.au/2015/12/ethnologue-institutes-pay-wall-after-7.html</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>This paywall doesn't (yet) apply to the glossaries, the ISO 639-3 pages and other material they maintain, but I've heard rumours of the glossaries moving to only paperback.</div><div><br></div><div>Like Martin and Dan said, it is not that surprising. Personally I wish there was a way for Ethnologue to have stable regular academic funding, but I don't know enough about the situation to know whether that's possible and desirable.</div><div><br></div><div>/Hedvig</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt"><b>Hedvig Skirgård</b><br>PhD Candidate<br><span style="color:rgb(196,89,17)">The Wellsprings of Linguistic Diversity</span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">ARC Centre of Excellence for the Dynamics of Language</span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">School of Culture, History and Language<br>College of Asia and the Pacific<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">Rm 4203, H.C. Coombs Building (#9)<br>The Australian National University<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">Acton ACT 2601<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">Australia<br><br>Ph: +61 (0)451 878 060<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">E: <a href="mailto:hedvig.skirgard@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">hedvig.skirgard@anu.edu.au</a></span></p></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 31 December 2015 at 08:47, stephen morey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:moreystephen@hotmail.com" target="_blank">moreystephen@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr">Dear All,<br><br>SIL is also the registration authority for ISO 639-3, the set of language codes that we are increasingly required to use (for grant applications, archiving and in some cases for journal articles). <br><br>As far as I know access to the ISO 639-3 site, <a href="http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/" target="_blank">http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/</a>, continues to be open. <br><br>Stephen Morey<br><br><div><hr>From: <a href="mailto:DEVERETT@bentley.edu" target="_blank">DEVERETT@bentley.edu</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:haspelmath@shh.mpg.de" target="_blank">haspelmath@shh.mpg.de</a><br>Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 21:41:11 +0000<br>CC: <a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] Ethnologue goes for paid access<div><div class="h5"><br><br>
<div>It is not at all clear that SIL is trying to make money. Maintaining these pages costs thousands of dollars per month and, as Martin says, SIL has no academic funding. Its funding comes from churches by and large and they have no particular interest in
supporting non-mission related academics. I strongly urge the academic community to develop its own resources in this area. </div>
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On Dec 30, 2015, at 16:28, Martin Haspelmath <<a href="mailto:haspelmath@shh.mpg.de" target="_blank">haspelmath@shh.mpg.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Yes, that's true, and here's the description: <a href="http://www.ethnologue.com/ethnoblog/m-paul-lewis/ethnologue-launches-subscription-service" target="_blank">
http://www.ethnologue.com/ethnoblog/m-paul-lewis/ethnologue-launches-subscription-service</a><br>
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They say you can access seven data pages per month for free.<br>
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I don't find this surprising. Ethnologue (and the entire academic branch of SIL) has no proper academic funding, so it's normal that they are trying to make some money out of their flagship publication.<br>
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Incidentally, Glottolog has no proper funding either, but as it is now hosted by MPI-SHH in Jena (<a href="http://www.shh.mpg.de/48816/research_outline" target="_blank">http://www.shh.mpg.de/48816/research_outline</a>), at least its continued
existence is assured for the next dozen years or so.<br>
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(I think we should try to tell our administrators that it makes little sense to try to sell academic publications. Instead, they should by properly funded by the academic publishers themselves, in order not to drive academics even further into
<a href="http://www.frank-m-richter.de/freescienceblog/2015/12/18/is-our-scholarship-based-on-illegal-foundations/" target="_blank">
questionable practices</a>.)<br>
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<pre>Dear all,
does any one know whether the access to the Ethnologue is going to be by paid subscription only? When trying to routinely access the information about a random language, I got a screen advertising paid subscription for $60 per year, and there is no way to bypass it and get access to the information which was freely available a week ago. This looks pretty distressing.
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Peter
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