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<!--StartFragment--><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 18pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -18pt; line-height: 16pt;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-font-family:
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 6 Jan 2016, at 6:07 pm, Eitan Grossman <<a href="mailto:eitan.grossman@mail.huji.ac.il" class="">eitan.grossman@mail.huji.ac.il</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Dear all,<br class=""><br class=""></div>I am writing to ask a question about 'agent'* nominalizations across languages. I am interested in agent nominalizers that do or don't have known diachronic sources, in the attempt to understand which diachronic pathways are attested (and hopefully, their relative frequency/rarity). For example, some languages have:<br class=""><br class="">(a) bound morphemes whose diachronic source is clearly identifiable, whether lexical (Japanese -nin or -sya 'person; Khwe and Meskwaki are similar, or Japanese -te 'hand') or grammatical (Serbo-Croatian -l(o) from an original instrumental meaning, perhaps similarly for Afroasiatic m-).<br class=""></div>(b) bound morphemes whose diachronic source may be mysterious or reconstructible as such to the proto-language (Quechuan -q?, Malay-Indonesian peng-/pe-?).<br class=""></div><div class="">(c) free morphemes whose diachronic source is clearly identifiable (Ponoapean olen ''man of')<br class=""></div><div class="">(d) more complex constructions involving the reduction of modifier clauses of some sort (Coptic ref- < ultimately from 'person who verbs')<br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">(e) rarer morphosyntactic alternations, like reduplication of the initial syllable (Hadze, Serer), vowel length (Akan), vowel raising (+breathiness) (Nuer) <br class=""></div><div class="">(f) no such nominalizer mentioned, or explicitly mentioned that there is no dedicated agent noun construction. In some languages, ad hoc formation via relatives is the only (Tlapanec), main, or a supplementary strategy (e.g., Indonesian relativizer yang).<br class=""></div><div class="">(g) zero conversion<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There is nice paper by Luschuetzky & Rainer in STUF 2011, but it deals almost exclusively with affixes and only rarely mentions diachronic information.<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">From a <u class="">very</u> preliminary survey of grammars, it looks like the origin of agent nominalizers is often pretty obscure, and the shortest and most bound morphemes look to be very old, quite expectedly. Identifiable lexical sources seem to converge around 'person, thing' or body parts. Reduction of complex constructions to an affix seems to be rare but attested. <br class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">So, here's the question: in your languages, is the diachronic source of agent nominalizers identifiable? </b> I'd be grateful for any information you might be willing to share!<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,<br class=""></div><div class="">Eitan<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">*Disclaimer: even though this is a common term, most languages I've seen don't single out the semantic role of agent, and this is often noted in theoretical discussions. Also, such nominalizations don't have to be derivational or even 'morphological.'<br clear="all" class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">Eitan Grossman<div class="">Lecturer, Department of Linguistics/School of Language Sciences<br class=""></div><div class="">Hebrew University of Jerusalem</div><div class="">Tel: +972 2 588 3809</div><div class="">Fax: +972 2 588 1224</div></div></div></div>
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