<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_56472"><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58693">I think the gerenal preference for noun-adjective order is due to that adjective has a strong property of predicate.</span></div><div class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_56530"><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_56646">One interesting thing is why some major langueges such as English, Chinese, Russian (which is of rich 
morphology and with rather free word order) take adjective-noun order?</span></div><div class=""><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_56646">Bingfu Lu<br></span></div><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_56648"></span><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58697" dir="ltr"><br></div><span class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_56648"></span> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58643" class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58650" class="yahoo_quoted"> <blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58649" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58648" style="font-family: Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58647" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58646" dir="ltr"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58645" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58644" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Matthew Dryer <dryer@buffalo.edu><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, January 17, 2016 12:41 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Lingtyp] Structural congruence as a dimension of language complexity/simplicity<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58702" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv6412384249"><div>
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      </div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58701"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58700" class="yiv6412384249MsoNormal" style="">For the record,
        the Greenberg’s
        suggestion that verb-initial languages tend to prefer
        noun-adjective order more
        than SVO or verb-final languages turns out to be an artifact of
        Greenberg’s
        small sample.<span style="">  </span>As I
        showed in </div> 
      <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58738" class="yiv6412384249MsoNormal" style="">  </div> 
      <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58733" class="yiv6412384249MsoNormal" style=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58735" style="font-family:Times;">Dryer, Matthew S. 1988<span style="">  </span>“Object-Verb Order and
          Adjective-Noun Order:
          Dispelling a Myth.” <i>Lingua</i> 74: 185-217.</span></div> 
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      <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58703" class="yiv6412384249MsoNormal" style="">and</div> 
      <div class="yiv6412384249MsoNormal" style="">  </div> 
      <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58741" class="yiv6412384249MsoNormal" style=""><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58740" style="font-family:Times;">Dryer, Matthew S. 1992<span style="">  </span>“The Greenbergian Word
          Order
          Correlations.”<span style="">  </span><i>Language<span style="">  </span></i>68: 81-138.<i></i></span></div> 
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      <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58705" class="yiv6412384249MsoNormal" style="">there is no
        relationship between
        the order of adjective and noun and the order of object and
        verb. There is a
        preference for noun-adjective order among verb-initial
        languages, but there is
        the same preference among SVO and verb-final languages.</div> 
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      <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58713" class="yiv6412384249MsoNormal" style="">Nor, as I showed
        in my 1992
        paper, is there any tendency for languages to exhibit consistent
        ordering of
        heads and dependents.</div> 
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      <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58726" class="yiv6412384249MsoNormal" style="">Matthew Dryer</div> 
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        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58709" class="yiv6412384249MsoNormal"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1453099553649_58708" style="font-family:Arial;" lang="EN-US">Francesca Merlan and I are currently
            working on a paper on structural congruence as a dimension
            of language complexity/simplicity. It is based on
          </span><span style="font-family:Arial;" lang="EN-US">results from our longitudinal study of
            children’s acquisition of two verb constructions in the
            Papuan language </span><span style="font-family:Arial;" lang="EN-US">Ku Waru, namely, serial verb
            constructions (SVC) and adjunct+verb constructions (AVC). We
            show that children learn the AVC before the SVC, and argue
            that this is determined in part by the greater congruence
            between AVC and other basic aspects of Ku Waru syntax
            including its strictly verb-final word order. This has got
            us thinking about the general issue of structural congruence
            as a dimension of language complexity.
          </span><span style="font-family:Arial;" lang="EN-US">For example, long ago Greenberg demonstrated
            that there is a very strong tendency in languages with VSO
            word order for the adjective in NPs to follow the noun. This
            is presumably because there is a kind of congruence between
            the noun as the head of the NP and the verb as the head of
            the clause – an insight which led to Nichols’ later very
            useful typological distinction between head-marking and
            dependent-marking grammar. Not all languages conform to
            Greenburg’s generalization in this regard</span><span style="font-family:Arial;" lang="EN-US">.</span><span style="font-family:Arial;" lang="EN-US"> But we would
            argue that those that do are in that respect simpler than
            those that don’t, because both the VSO template and the
            noun-adjective one can be specified in terms of a more
            general relationship between heads and dependents. So far in
            our search through the recent literature on linguistic
            complexity we haven’t come across any discussion of this
            kind of congruence as a dimension of language
            complexity/simplicity. Can any of you point us to any? Or to
            other relevant data for a comparative consideration of this
            issue?</span></div> 
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        <div class="yiv6412384249MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial;" lang="EN-US">Alan Rumsey,</span></div> 
        <div class="yiv6412384249MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial;" lang="EN-US">Australian National
            University</span><b><span style="font-family:Arial;" lang="EN-US"></span></b></div> 
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