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<div class="" style="word-wrap:break-word">Thanks very much to Anvita Abbi, Giorgio Arcodia, David Beck, Guillaume Jacques, Geoffrey Khan and Zygmunt Frajzyngier for helpful replies to my question about the use of reduplication for a translative meaning. The
replies are all given below. It seems from some of the replies, and my own sense of Rawang, that the key function is adverbialisation.
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Most of the Indo-Aryan languages convey translative meaning by complete/total </p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">2. <i class=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Doulos SIL'">ɟ</span></i><i class=""><span class="" style="font-family:Gentium">ə</span></i><i class=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Doulos SIL'">ŋ</span>g</i><i class=""><span class="" style="font-family:Gentium">ə</span>l </i><i class=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Doulos SIL'">ɟ</span></i><i class=""><span class="" style="font-family:Gentium">ə</span></i><i class=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Doulos SIL'">ŋ</span>g</i><i class=""><span class="" style="font-family:Gentium">ə</span>l
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In Sicilian, the (total) reduplication of place nouns can be used to express a variety of 'locative' meanings, including 'in', 'at', 'from...to', etc.<br class="">
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<div class="">Upper Necaxa Totonac has partial final reduplication that applies to adverbs expressing posture or configuration that is used when the Figure is in motion. These are described on page 25ff of the attached paper.</div>
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<div class="">In Japhug a few nouns can be reduplicated to derive locational adverbs:</div>
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<div class="">tʂu 'road' > tʂɯtʂu 'on the road, along the road'</div>
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<p class="">In Neo-Aramaic (Semitic) prepositions are repeated to express a translative sense, e.g.</p>
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<i class="">šawr-əx reša reša danna miya</i></p>
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<span class="">‘Let us jump over this water’</span></p>
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<span class="">‘In front of the tent of the king’</span></p>
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<i class="">pyað-ele qama-qamət čadra do-malka</i></p>
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<span class="">passing-<span class="" style="font-variant:small-caps">cop.3ms </span>before before tent of.the king</span></p>
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<span class="" style="font-size:12pt; line-height:18.399999618530273px">Khan, Geoffrey. 2016. <i class="">The Neo-Aramaic Dialect of the Assyrian Christians of Urmi</i>. 4 vols. Leiden-Boston: Brill, vol. 2, pp. 284-285</span></p>
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<div class="">Although it is not really the case of translative, but in a number of Chadic languages languages reduplication of nouns, adjectives, and numerals can derive an adverb. Some of these adverbs have locative and temporal function.</div>
<div class="">See Frajzyngier and Shay ‘Chadic’ in:</div>
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<div class="">In the Rawang language (Tibeto-Burman, Northern Myanmar/Burma) I find a<span class="" style="text-align:justify"> type of reduplication where the reduplication of the last syllable of a common noun, proper noun, or other word referring to a location
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<p class="x_Norma" style="page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""> <i class="">shı̀gùng-gùng dı̄-rá-ı̀</i></span></p>
<p class="x_Norma" style="page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""> mountain-</span><span lang="EN-US" class="">REDUP</span><span lang="EN-US" class=""> go-</span><span lang="EN-US" class="">DIR-I.PAST</span><span lang="EN-US" class=""></span></p>
<div class="x_Norma"><span lang="EN-US" class=""> 'He came by way of the mountains.'</span></div>
<div class="x_Norma"><span lang="EN-US" class=""> b. <i class="">Zı̀dv̀n dv̀n </i>'by way of Zidan (thatch-growing plain)'</span></div>
<div class="x_Norma">In most other TB languages the translocative sense (along with other locational senses) would be marked by postpositions, so this is unusual.</div>
<div class="x_Norma">Has anyone found anything like this particular use of partial reduplication in other languages? If so, could you please send me references?</div>
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