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mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"" lang="EN-US">One
of the contributions to the
"Oxford handbook of polysynthesis" will be Balthasar Bickel's
& Fernando
Zúñiga's paper "The "word in polysynthetic languages: Phonological
and syntactic challenges" (which is mostly based on data from
Chintang and
Mapudungun)</span><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ivs.uzh.ch/bickel-files/papers/polysynthetic_wordsBickelZuniga2016_v3.pdf">http://www.ivs.uzh.ch/bickel-files/papers/polysynthetic_wordsBickelZuniga2016_v3.pdf</a>
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Here is an excerpt from their conclusion:<span
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"Polysynthetic "words" are often not unified entities defined by
a single domain on which all criteria would converge. They tend to
be
non-coherent in one way or another... But then, it is important to
note that
this is <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>by<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>no means a peculiarity of
polysynthesis:
languages generally tend to avoid fully convergent, unified word
entities.”<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"" lang="EN-US">Thus,
it is not clear in what way “polysynthesis”
is special, and whether the notion can survive (but I have not
seen the other
contributions to the handbook yet).</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span>
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<br>
Martin<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05.07.16 07:30, David Gil wrote:<br>
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Dear all,<br>
<br>
While I agree wholeheartedly with those who have proposed the
notion of polysynthesis as constituting one of the central
contributions of Amerindian languages to linguistic typology, I am
also sympathetic with Martin Haspelmath's observations about how
the the notion of polysynthesis relies on an often poorly
understood notion of wordhood, and I do not accept Claude Hagége's
claim that that the abundance of typological studies of
polysynthesis may be construed as somehow "giving the lie" to
Martin's reservations. On the contrary, I would say that one of
the major contributions of Amerindian languages to linguistic
typology, via the so-called polysynthetic languages, is precisely
the challenge that they pose to the traditional notion of word, as
discussed in recent work by Martin and others.<br>
<br>
David Gil<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/07/2016 02:18, Marianne Mithun
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:aa46d583-3e18-856a-9e81-eab90a62bbad@linguistics.ucsb.edu"
type="cite"> Note on polysynthesis.<br>
<br>
The Oxford Handbook of Polysynthesis is now in press, slated to
appear early next year. A major thrust of the volume is the
question of whether polysynthesis is an identifiable and/or
useful type, whether there are sufficient or necessary features
and what they might be, whether languages can be more or less
polysynthetic, whether core polysynthetic languages tend to show
other structural features, etc. <br>
<br>
There are general chapters on polysynthesis and complexity,
polysynthesis and holophrasis (in the sense of all crucial parts
of the predication specified within the verb, including core
arguments), the limits of polysynthesis, the nature of the
lexicon in polysynthetic languages, different theoretical
perspectives on polysynthesis, the nature of the word in
polysynthetic languages (phonological and morphological
challenges), social circumstances stimulating the development
and retention of polysynthesis, etc. There are also chapters on
the diachrony of polysynthesis, the acquisition of polysynthetic
languages, areal perspectives on polysynthesis (geographical
hotbeds), and chapters on individual languages that have been
characterized as polysynthetic, in which authors weigh the
various criteria that have been proposed for polysynthesis to
see whether they add up to a definable type.<br>
<br>
Marianne<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/4/2016 7:07 AM, Claude Hagège
wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US"> I’d like to stress that, after
the monographs on Nahuatl written in the XVIth and
XVIIth centuries by, among others, Alonso de Molina,
Andres de Olmos, or on Guarani by Luis de Montoya,
work on incorporation and polysynthesis, became more
and more important in Europe due to the discovery
of these morphosyntactic features by Pierre du
Ponceau, who invented these technical terms, first
applying them to Nahuatl, and thus showing what
outstanding contributions Amerindian languages were
able to make to language studies. There is,
therefore, a tradition referring to the study of
these characteristics, and this went as far as
prompting linguists to add the polysynthetic type to
Schlegel’s and Humboldt’s famous three types, to wit
isolating, agglutinative and inflectional, which,
long before Greenberg, laid the foundations of
linguistic typology. This research tradition on
polysynthesis and incorporation is illustrated by
many works, giving the lie, by the way, to Martin’s
assertion that “these terms have no clear
definition in typology, because they rely on the
notion of word”. Among such works, there are for
example, if I may mention them, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">CH, « Lexical suffixes and
incorporation in Mainland Comox », <i>Forum
Linguisticum</i>, Vol. 3, n°1, August 1978, 57-71.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">CH, « On noun incorporation in
universal grammar (further comments on a previous
article) », <i>Forum Linguisticum,</i> Vol. 4, n°3,
Apr. 1980, 241-245.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">CH,
« Incorporation nominale et suffixation lexicale :
essai de typologie et cas particulier du comox
(Colombie britannique) », <i>Bulletin de la Société
de Linguistique de Paris</i>, tome 72, fasc. </span><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB">1, 1977, 319-340.</span><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> <span
lang="EN-US">CH</span></span><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB"> « Language as a faculty, languages as
“contingent” manifestations and humans as function
builders », <i>Reconnecting Language. Morphology
and Syntax in Functional Perspective,</i>
« Current Issues in Linguistic Theory » series,
154, Amsterdam/Philadelphia, John Benjamins
Publishing Company, 1997, 29-47.</span><span
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lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Claude<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> Lingtyp [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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lang="EN-US">] <b>De la part de</b> Plank<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> lundi 4 juillet 2016 12:35</span><span
lang="EN-US"> these terms have no clear definition
in typology, because they rely on the notion of
"word"</span><span
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lang="EN-US"><br>
<b>À :</b> Enrique L. Palancar; <a
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<b>Objet :</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Americanist
contributions to typology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The paper by Antoine that Enrique
mentions is specifially on what is nowadays called
"associated motion", something where Australia and South
America have been leading the way. The paper -- and it's
probably the longest we've ever had -- is in LT 20(1)
2016, an issue that was regrettably held up by production
hiccups, but is to finally hit your screens and/or
mailboxes this month. ToC attached.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In its early days (17-18th
century) typology, and simultaneously language
evolution, was a subject for "conjectural historians",
and seriously Americas-informed factually-based
typologising arguably only began with the likes of James
Burnett (see below a passage from a handbook article for
his actual language coverage) and Peter Stephen Du
Ponceau. I'd say grappling with <b>polysynthesis/incorporation/Einverleibun</b>g
was the first really significant typological
contribution whose chief inspiration was American,
superseding what had been speculated about the
typological and evolutionary status of holistic event
designations, aka impersonal/subjectless sentences.
Very early, certain <b>sound/phoneme inventories</b>,
lacking labials that just about everybody else loved and
acquired early, were also perceived as a typological
challenge from the Americas, calling for corrections of
facile generalisations. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(Good) typology is so driven by
(deep) knowledge about languages. Good of Mark to
recall Sapir. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Frans<o:p></o:p></p>
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