<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">One feature David mentions is “d/t place-of-articulation asymmetry” — I assume this refers to<div class="">the observation that a voiced coronal plosive in a language without multiple coronal place</div><div class="">contrasts may have a more retracted place of articulation than a voiceless counterpart. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is observed in quite a few areas around the world (and could be more frequent if we</div><div class="">had better data on the phonetics of more languages), so this not might be a particularly strong</div><div class="">areal marker. A few examples are Kisi and Bowiri in West Africa, Wapishana in South America </div><div class="">and Sui in China.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ian</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 4, 2017, at 21:24, Hedvig Skirgård <<a href="mailto:hedvig.skirgard@gmail.com" class="">hedvig.skirgard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi David, <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That's an excellent idea! Thanks. Some of these I know from reading other papers of yours, and some already overlap with Reesink, Dunn et al and with Grambank. Would it be possible however to get some more detailed definition on them? For example, what constituted "optional TAM marking"? 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<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 April 2017 at 13:14, David Gil <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:gil@shh.mpg.de" target="_blank" class="">gil@shh.mpg.de</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi Hedvig,<br class="">
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in Gil (2015) I define a Mekong-Mamberamo area extending from
Mainland Southeast Asia through the Indonesian archipelago and into
western new Guinea, characterized by 17 features which I've listed
below. In the final section of the paper, I briefly discuss the
extent to which these 17 features "overflow" from the
Mekong-Mamberamo area into Oceania, due to the spread of
Austronesian languages from New Guinea into the Pacific. So you may
wish to follow up on this and examine the extent to which the
languages of Oceania exhibit these features.<br class="">
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Best,<br class="">
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David<br class="">
<br class=""><p class="m_5279137942271857238ReferencesT" style="margin-left:27.35pt"><span lang="EN-US" class="">Gil, David (2015) "The Mekong-Mamberamo Linguistic
Area",
in N.J. Enfield and B. Comrie eds., <i class="">Languages
of Mainland Southeast Asia, The State of the Art</i>, Pacific
Linguistics,
DeGruyter Mouton, Berlin, 266-355.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
<br class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""></span><i class="">17
Mekong-Mamberamo Properties<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></i></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>1.<span class=""> </span>passing
gesture<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>2.<span class=""> </span>repeated
dental clicks expressing amazement<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>3.<span class=""> </span>conventionalized
greeting with 'where'<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>4.<span class=""> </span>'eye
day' > 'sun' lexicalization<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>5.<span class=""> </span>d/t
place-of-articulation asymmetry<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>6.<span class=""> </span>numeral
classifiers<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>7.<span class=""> </span>verby
adjectives<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>8.<span class=""> </span>basic
SVO word order<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>9.<span class=""> </span>iamitive
perfects<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>10.<span class=""> </span>'give'
causatives<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>11.<span class=""> </span>low
differentiation of adnominal attributive constructions<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>12.<span class=""> </span>weakly
developed grammatical voice<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>13.<span class=""> </span>isolating
word structure<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>14.<span class=""> </span>short
words<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>15.<span class=""> </span>low
grammatical-morpheme density<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;page-break-after:avoid"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>16.<span class=""> </span>optional
thematic-role flagging<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class=""> </span>17.<span class=""> </span>optional TAM marking<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><div class=""><div class="h5">
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interesting grammatical typological features for
capturing the diversity of Oceania? I sent this message
earlier to the mailing list for pacific linguistics, but
I thought I'd try here as well since I didn't get any
response there yet.</p><p class="m_5279137942271857238m_1554752280181880654gmail-p1">I work with a
grammatical survey of the world's languages, Grambank,
and I'm also personally interested in Oceania in
particular for my PhD project. I've been doing some
thinking as to what features would be interesting to
cover to more accurately capture the grammatical
diversity of Oceania in particular, besides the feature
set that we already have for the world-sample.</p><p class="m_5279137942271857238m_1554752280181880654gmail-p1">One guide are the
features that Reesink, Dunn et al used in their
publications on Sahul and Melanesia (see attachments and
references listed below). They've taken in input from a
lot of previous literature and commentary, so it's a
good set.</p><p class="m_5279137942271857238m_1554752280181880654gmail-p1">Besides those, do
you have other suggestions?</p><p class="m_5279137942271857238m_1554752280181880654gmail-p1">From a rather
Samoan-centric perspective, I'd be inclined to add
features like these:</p>
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<li class="">Is there a "neutral" choice in attributive
possession, i.e. not alienable/inalienable,
dominant/subordinate?</li>
<li class="">Can the agent be expressed as the possessor of the
verb instead of encoded in the more canonical
ergative/nominative manner?</li>
<li class="">Can TA markers be entirely dropped in main clauses?</li>
<li class="">Is number of absolute arguments expressed by
reduplication on the verb?<br class="">
</li>
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need further refinement, I just wanted to give some
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</b>Dunn, Michael, Angela Terrill, Ger Reesink, Robert A.
Foley & Stephen C. Levinson. 2005. Structural
phylogenetics and the reconstruction of ancient language
history. Science 309. 2072–2075. <br class="">
<br class="">
Dunn, Michael, Robert A. Foley, Stephen C. Levinson, Ger
Reesink & Angela Terrill. 2007. Statistical reasoning
in the evaluation of typological diversity in Island
Melanesia. Oceanic Linguistics 46(2). 388-403. <br class="">
<br class="">
Dunn, Michael, Stephen C. Levinson, Eva Lindström, Ger
Reesink, & Angela Terrill. 2008. Structural phylogeny
in historical linguistics: Methodological explorations
applied in Island Melanesia. Language 84(4). 710-759 <br class="">
<br class="">
Reesink, G., Singer, R., & Dunn, M. (2009). Explaining
the linguistic diversity of Sahul using population models.
PLoS Biology, 7(11), e1000241. doi:10.1371/journal.pbio.10002<wbr class="">41<br class="">
<br class="">
Reesink, Ger & Michael Dunn (2012) Systematic
typological comparison as a tool for investigating
language history. in Nicholas Evans and Marian Klamer
(eds) Language Documentation & Conservation Special
Publication No. 5 Melanesian Languages on the Edge of
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interesting grammatical typological features for
capturing the diversity of Oceania? I sent this message
earlier to the mailing list for pacific linguistics, but
I thought I'd try here as well since I didn't get any
response there yet.</p><p class="m_5279137942271857238m_1554752280181880654gmail-p1">I work with a
grammatical survey of the world's languages, Grambank,
and I'm also personally interested in Oceania in
particular for my PhD project. I've been doing some
thinking as to what features would be interesting to
cover to more accurately capture the grammatical
diversity of Oceania in particular, besides the feature
set that we already have for the world-sample.</p><p class="m_5279137942271857238m_1554752280181880654gmail-p1">One guide are the
features that Reesink, Dunn et al used in their
publications on Sahul and Melanesia (see attachments and
references listed below). They've taken in input from a
lot of previous literature and commentary, so it's a
good set.</p><p class="m_5279137942271857238m_1554752280181880654gmail-p1">Besides those, do
you have other suggestions?</p><p class="m_5279137942271857238m_1554752280181880654gmail-p1">From a rather
Samoan-centric perspective, I'd be inclined to add
features like these:</p>
<ul class="">
<li class="">Is there a "neutral" choice in attributive
possession, i.e. not alienable/inalienable,
dominant/subordinate?</li>
<li class="">Can the agent be expressed as the possessor of the
verb instead of encoded in the more canonical
ergative/nominative manner?</li>
<li class="">Can TA markers be entirely dropped in main clauses?</li>
<li class="">Is number of absolute arguments expressed by
reduplication on the verb?<br class="">
</li>
</ul><p class="m_5279137942271857238m_1554752280181880654gmail-p1">Clearly these
need further refinement, I just wanted to give some
examples. Looking forward to more suggestions!</p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;" class=""><font face="arial,
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References:<br class="">
</b>Dunn, Michael, Angela Terrill, Ger Reesink, Robert A.
Foley & Stephen C. Levinson. 2005. Structural
phylogenetics and the reconstruction of ancient language
history. Science 309. 2072–2075. <br class="">
<br class="">
Dunn, Michael, Robert A. Foley, Stephen C. Levinson, Ger
Reesink & Angela Terrill. 2007. Statistical reasoning
in the evaluation of typological diversity in Island
Melanesia. Oceanic Linguistics 46(2). 388-403. <br class="">
<br class="">
Dunn, Michael, Stephen C. Levinson, Eva Lindström, Ger
Reesink, & Angela Terrill. 2008. Structural phylogeny
in historical linguistics: Methodological explorations
applied in Island Melanesia. Language 84(4). 710-759 <br class="">
<br class="">
Reesink, G., Singer, R., & Dunn, M. (2009). Explaining
the linguistic diversity of Sahul using population models.
PLoS Biology, 7(11), e1000241. doi:10.1371/journal.pbio.10002<wbr class="">41<br class="">
<br class="">
Reesink, Ger & Michael Dunn (2012) Systematic
typological comparison as a tool for investigating
language history. in Nicholas Evans and Marian Klamer
(eds) Language Documentation & Conservation Special
Publication No. 5 Melanesian Languages on the Edge of
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