<div dir="ltr">Thank you Kilu, those are very helpful suggestions!<div><br></div><div>Have you read Olsson's MA thesis on iamatives by the way?<br><div><br></div><div>/Hedvig</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt"><b><br></b></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt"><b>***</b></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><b>Tōfā soifua,</b></font></p><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><b><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Hedvig Skirgård</font></b></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt"><b><br></b>PhD Candidate<br><span style="color:rgb(196,89,17)">The Wellsprings of Linguistic Diversity</span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">ARC Centre of Excellence for the Dynamics of Language</span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">School of Culture, History and Language<br>College of Asia and the Pacific<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">Rm 4203, H.C. Coombs Building (#9)<br>The Australian National University<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">Acton ACT 2601<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">Australia<br><br>Co-chair of Public Relations</span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">Board of the </span><span style="font-size:9pt">International Olympiad of Linguistics</span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><a href="http://www.ioling.org" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:9pt" target="_blank">www.ioling.org</a><br><br><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">Blogger at Humans Who Read Grammars</span></font><br><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12px"><a href="http://humans-who-read-grammars.blogspot." target="_blank">http://humans-who-read-grammars.blogspot.</a></span></font><br></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 April 2017 at 18:28, Kilu von Prince <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kilu.von.prince@hu-berlin.de" target="_blank">kilu.von.prince@hu-berlin.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Hedvig,<div><br></div><div>what an intriguing proposal! I'm working on a comparative project on Oceanic languages of Melanesia, so there are quite a number of things that come to my mind. For the time being, I'd suggest the following:</div><div><br></div><div>* Portmanteau subject-agreement markers that simultaneously encode TMA information (y/n)</div><div>* Modes of negation: simple marker, circumfix/ circumclitics, or portmanteau TMA markers that simultaneously encode polarity</div><div>* Using "finish", "it is finished" etc. frequently to structure a narrative, or more generally as a marker of perfectifity (y/n)</div><div>* Using serial verb "go" to indicate passage of time in a narrative (y/n)</div><div><br></div><div>These are not necessarily the only or most interesting things to look at from our perspective, I'll have to think about it some more. Feel free to contact me directly for further exchange of ideas.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Kilu</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 4:21 AM, Hedvig Skirgård <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hedvig.skirgard@gmail.com" target="_blank">hedvig.skirgard@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr"><div><div class="m_-8568059164302706913m_-305663611913455126gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dear typologists,</span><br></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div><p class="m_-8568059164302706913m_-305663611913455126m_1554752280181880654gmail-p1">What are interesting grammatical typological features for capturing the diversity of Oceania? I sent this message earlier to the mailing list for pacific linguistics, but I thought I'd try here as well since I didn't get any response there yet.</p><p class="m_-8568059164302706913m_-305663611913455126m_1554752280181880654gmail-p1">I work with a grammatical survey of the world's languages, Grambank, and I'm also personally interested in Oceania in particular for my PhD project. I've been doing some thinking as to what features would be interesting to cover to more accurately capture the grammatical diversity of Oceania in particular, besides the feature set that we already have for the world-sample.</p><p class="m_-8568059164302706913m_-305663611913455126m_1554752280181880654gmail-p1">One guide are the features that Reesink, Dunn et al used in their publications on Sahul and Melanesia (see attachments and references listed below). They've taken in input from a lot of previous literature and commentary, so it's a good set.</p><p class="m_-8568059164302706913m_-305663611913455126m_1554752280181880654gmail-p1">Besides those, do you have other suggestions?</p><p class="m_-8568059164302706913m_-305663611913455126m_1554752280181880654gmail-p1">From a rather Samoan-centric perspective, I'd be inclined to add features like these:</p><p class="m_-8568059164302706913m_-305663611913455126m_1554752280181880654gmail-p1"></p><ul><li>Is there a "neutral" choice in attributive possession, i.e. not alienable/inalienable, dominant/subordinate?</li><li>Can the agent be expressed as the possessor of the verb instead of encoded in the more canonical ergative/nominative manner?</li><li>Can TA markers be entirely dropped in main clauses?</li><li>Is number of absolute arguments expressed by reduplication on the verb?<br></li></ul><p class="m_-8568059164302706913m_-305663611913455126m_1554752280181880654gmail-p1">Clearly these need further refinement, I just wanted to give some examples. Looking forward to more suggestions!</p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><b>Tōfā soifua,<br></b></font><b><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Hedvig Skirgård</font></b></p><b><br>References:<br></b><p></p>Dunn, Michael, Angela Terrill, Ger Reesink, Robert A. Foley & Stephen C. Levinson. 2005. Structural phylogenetics and the reconstruction of ancient language history. Science 309. 2072–2075. <br><br>Dunn, Michael, Robert A. Foley, Stephen C. Levinson, Ger Reesink & Angela Terrill. 2007. Statistical reasoning in the evaluation of typological diversity in Island Melanesia. Oceanic Linguistics 46(2). 388-403. <br><br>Dunn, Michael, Stephen C. Levinson, Eva Lindström, Ger Reesink, & Angela Terrill. 2008. Structural phylogeny in historical linguistics: Methodological explorations applied in Island Melanesia. Language 84(4). 710-759 <br><br>Reesink, G., Singer, R., & Dunn, M. (2009). Explaining the linguistic diversity of Sahul using population models. PLoS Biology, 7(11), e1000241. doi:10.1371/journal.pbio.10002<wbr>41<br><br>Reesink, Ger & Michael Dunn (2012) Systematic typological comparison as a tool for investigating language history. in Nicholas Evans and Marian Klamer (eds) Language Documentation & Conservation Special Publication No. 5 Melanesian Languages on the Edge of Asia: Challenges for the 21st Century. pp. 34–71</div><div><br></div><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-8568059164302706913m_-305663611913455126m_1554752280181880654gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt"><b><br></b></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt"><b>***</b></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><b><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Hedvig Skirgård</font></b><br></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt"><b><br></b>PhD Candidate<br><span style="color:rgb(196,89,17)">The Wellsprings of Linguistic Diversity</span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">ARC Centre of Excellence for the Dynamics of Language</span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">School of Culture, History and Language<br>College of Asia and the Pacific<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">Rm 4203, H.C. 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