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<p> Thanks Frans, Martin, Randy and all , </p>
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humble as I am, </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols, EmojiFont, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols, EmojiFont, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">I
may not be in a good position to comment on </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols, EmojiFont, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols, EmojiFont, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">any
journal practice. And of course, I think we need good j</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols, EmojiFont, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols, EmojiFont, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">ournals,just
like LT</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols, EmojiFont, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols, EmojiFont, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">.
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> But nowadays, the function of journals is not merely about spreading good ideas (if so, that would be lucky) , but is also involved with the rankings of individuals , institutions, even the journals themselves. Ultimately,
this has to do with fundings we need. This is one of the reasons why journals are so important and nobody can afford to resist them(even though a few copies of them may look heavy and not portable). </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> But journals, with comparative advantages, have already ruled out many academic alternatives and makes "writing good words in your blog" sounds cheap and unprofessional . This would be quite unthinkable for Confusius
or Aristole in their times, who didn't have to have their ideas agreed upon by peers before publishing. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> I</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> think we probably need a mechanism, as Martin propsesd , which is at least 1) freely available for scholars (in respsonsible way), 2) equally recognized by the institutions,
3) qualitatively evaluated by the community when they read and think, and not just cite. Such a mechanism will actually divert respsonsiblity from" a few good people" and from "a few good journals" to the community and to the public at large. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> The above is what i was discussing with my colleagues. It may be too ideal to be true, but isnt' it a healthy environments for us to live in and work towards as a goal . </span></p>
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<p>Best, </p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Jianming </span><br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of Frans Plank <frans.plank@ling-phil.ox.ac.uk><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 05 July 2017 04:52<br>
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<div>I'm not sure whether the recent Editorial Report in LT 20(3) (my last; "un-published", but here is a quote) helps Martin at least with diagnosing our predicament.
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<div style="margin:0px; font-family:Times; font-size:17px"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>[...] Scholarship does not perforce</div>
<div style="margin:0px; font-family:Times; font-size:17px"><span style="font-size:16px">NEED
</span>journals. You can have an idea, make a discovery, defend an analysis,</div>
<div style="margin:0px; font-family:Times; font-size:17px">develop an argument and discuss it with friends and colleagues, correspond</div>
<div style="margin:0px; font-family:Times; font-size:17px">about it, privately or in your blog, report it at scholarly meetings, write it up and</div>
<div style="margin:0px; font-family:Times; font-size:17px">put it on your own internet platform. The hearing you thus get in your discipline</div>
<div style="margin:0px; font-family:Times; font-size:17px">may be of a magnitude most journal publications cannot hope to rival: only</div>
<div style="margin:0px; font-family:Times; font-size:17px">think of the audiences conference presentations sometimes attract even in our</div>
<div style="margin:0px; font-family:Times; font-size:17px">own modest typological circles. You may get acknowledged and even receive</div>
<div style="margin:0px; font-family:Times; font-size:17px">formal recognition – except, unless you are published, the record you are on is</div>
<div style="margin:0px; font-family:Times; font-size:17px">that of individual or collective memory. The way we scholars are, creatures of</div>
<div style="margin:0px; font-family:Times; font-size:17px">yesterday’s habit, we would much rather see our precious words preserved in</div>
<div style="margin:0px; font-family:Times; font-size:17px">black and white. But the last word on whether circulation in cold print, or</div>
<div style="margin:0px; font-family:Times; font-size:17px">eternal storage in one or another repository, is called for is really the reader’s.</div>
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<div>(I quote out of context; the context is that in debates about publishing models it would be good to know more about readers.) </div>
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<div>The GUARDIAN article Martin refers to offers another (though perhaps related) diagnosis, implying that it was not so much our "lack of organization", but, ulitmately, our vanity that enabled Robert Maxwell and his copycats at Elsevier to fundamentally
change the ways of scholarly publishing. </div>
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<div>Diagnosis first, therapy second. (If vanity is involved, there are many who have considered it a therapy-resistant folly.)</div>
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<div>Frans</div>
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<div>On 04 Jul 2017, at 21:35, Martin Haspelmath <<a href="mailto:haspelmath@shh.mpg.de">haspelmath@shh.mpg.de</a>> wrote:</div>
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On 04.07.17 19:36, Wu Jianming wrote:<br>
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I am wondering whether there is another way to spread good ideas freely and efficiently, which, nontheless, is equally recognized by the authority, just like journals.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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Good ideas (or bad ideas) can be published easily these days (e.g. you can easily<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.frank-m-richter.de/freescienceblog/2017/02/24/what-should-what-do-i-do-with-my-draft-paper-hide-it-upload-to-academia-or-upload-to-zenodo/">upload
your paper to Academia or Zenodo</a>, at no cost), but for professional recognition, one needs a well-organized social mechanism.<br>
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Scholars have not been well-organized in the past: As Stephen Buranyi explains in a fascinating recent<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/27/profitable-business-scientific-publishing-bad-for-science">Guardian
article</a>, over decades they left the initiative to commercial companies, who own the titles and who make huge profits (or waste our money because of inefficient organization). If standard business criteria were employed, then publishing a scholarly article
would cost between<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bjoern.brembs.net/2016/12/should-public-institutions-not-be-choosing-the-lowest-responsible-bidder/">$100 and $500</a>, not $5000 as is currently the case.<br>
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So how do we get out of the current predicament? I don't know, but we first need to recognize that we are in a disastrous situation.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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Maybe we could have a typology journal that is published with a model similar to that of Glossa (with optional fees,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.openlibhums.org/journals/">supported by OLH</a>). Maybe we could find a university
that gives "<a href="https://www.frank-m-richter.de/freescienceblog/2017/02/21/we-dont-need-open-access-but-scholar-owned-publication-brands/">tenure</a>" to a typology journal, the way most universities give tenure to researchers. Any ALT members out there
with connections to librarians who want to secure their future by moving into publishing?<br>
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In any event, using ALT's money for "publication" (in fact, un-publication) behind a paywall is not sustainable in the longer run, so we desperately need new good ideas.<br>
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Best,<br>
Martin<br>
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