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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks heaps y’all! Got what I needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Siva Kalyan [mailto:sivakalyan.princeton@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 19 July 2017 6:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David Gil <gil@shh.mpg.de><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Matthew Carroll <mattcarrollj@gmail.com>; Kyla Quinn <kyla.quinn@anu.edu.au>; Alexandra Marley <alexandra.marley@anu.edu.au>; lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] Kinship systems that distinguish age but not gender<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On a slight tangent, are there languages where male siblings are distinguished for age but female siblings aren't (or vice versa)?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 19 Jul 2017, at 6:50 pm, David Gil <<a href="mailto:gil@shh.mpg.de">gil@shh.mpg.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Matt beat me to it on Malay/Indonesian! I would just like to add that while many (most?) varieties that I am familiar with work the way Matt describes, some exhibit an asymmetry in which elder siblings are
distinguished for gender while younger ones are not. This pattern is also evident in closely-related Minangkabau:<br>
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adiak - 'younger sibling'<br>
uda - 'elder brother'<br>
uni - 'elder sister'<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What about Indonesian/Malay? kakak/adik for elder/younger sibling respectively. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone know of a language that has a distinction in the kinship system for age of referent (younger/older) without also having a distinction for gender of referent? For example, a language that marks siblings as being younger or older
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<p class="MsoNormal">The hypothesis is that this doesn't happen/is very rare. We'd like to know if you've come across any examples of this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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