<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>Marshallese sibling terms are often not specified for gender:</div><div><i>jei- </i>'older sibling' <a href="http://www.trussel2.com/MOD/MED2J.htm#2526">http://www.trussel2.com/MOD/MED2J.htm#2526</a></div><div><i>jati-</i> 'younger sibling' <a href="http://www.trussel2.com/MOD/MED2J.htm#2343">http://www.trussel2.com/MOD/MED2J.htm#2343</a></div><div><br></div><div>although there is also </div><div><i>ine- </i>'sister of male' <a href="http://www.trussel2.com/MOD/MED2I.htm#2039">http://www.trussel2.com/MOD/MED2I.htm#2039</a></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Jonathan</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 July 2017 at 18:50, David Gil <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gil@shh.mpg.de" target="_blank">gil@shh.mpg.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Matt beat me to it on Malay/Indonesian!  I would just like to add
    that while many (most?) varieties that I am familiar with work the
    way Matt describes, some exhibit an asymmetry in which elder
    siblings are distinguished for gender while younger ones are not. 
    This pattern is also evident in closely-related Minangkabau:<br>
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    adiak - 'younger sibling'<br>
    uda - 'elder brother'<br>
    uni - 'elder sister'<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi Guys
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        <div>What about Indonesian/Malay? kakak/adik for elder/younger
          sibling respectively. </div>
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        <div>Best,</div>
        <div>Matt</div>
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          Skirgård <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hedvig.skirgard@gmail.com" target="_blank">hedvig.skirgard@gmail.com</a>></span>
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              <div>Does anyone know of a language that has a distinction
                in the kinship system for age of referent
                (younger/older) without also having a distinction for
                gender of referent? For example, a language that marks
                siblings as being younger or older to ego without
                reference to being sister or brother.</div>
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              <div>The hypothesis is that this doesn't happen/is very
                rare. We'd like to know if you've come across any
                examples of this.</div>
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              <div>I'm asking for my friend Alex (cc:ed) who is not on
                the list. Please direct any responses or comments to
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