<div dir="auto">Also, Thai has พี่ [pʰîː] 'elder sibling' and น้อง [nɔ́ːŋ] 'younger sibling'. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">- André</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">PhD Student</div><div dir="auto">University of Zurich</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 Jul 2017 15:27, "Siva Kalyan" <<a href="mailto:sivakalyan.princeton@gmail.com">sivakalyan.princeton@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">On a slight tangent, are there languages where male siblings are distinguished for age but female siblings aren't (or vice versa)?<br><div>
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    Matt beat me to it on Malay/Indonesian!  I would just like to add
    that while many (most?) varieties that I am familiar with work the
    way Matt describes, some exhibit an asymmetry in which elder
    siblings are distinguished for gender while younger ones are not. 
    This pattern is also evident in closely-related Minangkabau:<br>
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    adiak - 'younger sibling'<br>
    uda - 'elder brother'<br>
    uni - 'elder sister'<br>
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    And I suspect that it is common in other languages of the region.<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi Guys
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        <div>What about Indonesian/Malay? kakak/adik for elder/younger
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        <div>Best,</div>
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              <div>Does anyone know of a language that has a distinction
                in the kinship system for age of referent
                (younger/older) without also having a distinction for
                gender of referent? For example, a language that marks
                siblings as being younger or older to ego without
                reference to being sister or brother.</div>
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              <div>The hypothesis is that this doesn't happen/is very
                rare. We'd like to know if you've come across any
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Department of Linguistic and Cultural Evolution
Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History
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