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    <p>In some Neo-Aramaic dialects (Semitic) there is semantic
      neutralization of gender in words referring to young children, but
      the word is morphologically feminine, which is the morphologically
      marked gender, rather than morphologically masculine, which is the
      morphologically unmarked gender, e.g. Qaraqosh <i>bati '</i>my
      young daughter/son' < <i>brat-i </i>'my daughter'. Feminine
      morphology is used elsewhere in the dialects to express diminutive
      and endearment in kinship relations, which is what we seem to have
      here.</p>
    <p>Geoffrey Khan<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/07/2017 20:00, Gary Holton wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Tobelo (North Halmahera) is similar:
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          <div>-riaka ‘older same-sex sibling’</div>
          <div>-dodoto  ‘younger same-sex sibling’</div>
          <div>-hiranga   ‘opposite-sex sibling’</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Dryer,
          Matthew <span dir="ltr"><<a
              href="mailto:dryer@buffalo.edu" target="_blank"
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                <p class="MsoNormal">While Murdock (1968) discusses the
                  interaction of gender of ego with sibling of same sex
                  vs. sibling of opposite sex, he does not discuss the
                  interaction of these with older vs. younger sibling.
                  There are eight possible relationships by these three
                  parameters.</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">All three of these parameters are
                  relevant in Walman (a Papuan language in the
                  Torricelli family), but relative age is neutralized
                  for siblings of opposite sex.</p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Matthew Dryer  </p>
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                        style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
                      style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Lingtyp <<a
href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.<wbr>linguistlist.org</a>>
                      on behalf of Guillaume Segerer <<a
                        href="mailto:guillaume.segerer@cnrs.fr"
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">guillaume.segerer@cnrs.fr</a>><br>
                      <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 9:41 AM<br>
                      <b>To: </b>"<a
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                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lingtyp@listserv.<wbr>linguistlist.org</a>"
                      <<a
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                        <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Lingtyp] Kinship systems
                        that distinguish age but not gender</span></span></p>
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                <p>Hi all</p>
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                    <p>What Hedwig is looking for is common in West
                      Africa. I can think of Manjaku, Balanta and
                      Bijogo, but RefLex (<a
                        href="http://www.reflex.cnrs.fr" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">www.reflex.cnrs.fr</a>)
                      also gives interesting results for some Bantu
                      languages, among others. Many languages (like
                      Joola, Baynunk) have a contrast between "same sex
                      sibling" vs "opposite sex sibling", regardless of
                      age. I have no example in mind of languages having
                      a 4-term contrast combinig the two above features.</p>
                    <p>Guillaume Segerer</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Le 19/07/2017 à 10:31, Hedvig
                        Skirgård a écrit :</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Dear LINGTYP,  </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone know of a
                            language that has a distinction in the
                            kinship system for age of referent
                            (younger/older) without also having a
                            distinction for gender of referent? For
                            example, a language that marks siblings as
                            being younger or older to ego without
                            reference to being sister or brother.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">The hypothesis is that
                            this doesn't happen/is very rare. We'd like
                            to know if you've come across any examples
                            of this.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">I'm asking for my friend
                            Alex (cc:ed) who is not on the list. Please
                            direct any responses or comments to her.</p>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Geoffrey Khan
Regius Professor of Hebrew
University of Cambridge

Faculty of Asian and Middle Eastern Studies
Sidgwick Avenue
Cambridge CB3 9DA
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