<div dir="ltr">Hello again everyone, <div><br></div><div>Alex has what she needs, thanks everyone! Feel free to continue the discussion if there is anyone else who has an interest, but know that Alex (who was the one wanting to know) is satisfied at this point.</div><div><br></div><div>Alex has since added herself to the LINGTYP-list (good recruiting everyone!).</div><div><br></div><div>Best, <br>Hedvig</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt"><b><br></b></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt"><b>***</b></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><b>Tōfā soifua,</b></font></p><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><b><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Hedvig Skirgård</font></b></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt"><b><br></b>PhD Candidate<br><span style="color:rgb(196,89,17)">The Wellsprings of Linguistic Diversity</span><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">ARC Centre of Excellence for the Dynamics of Language</span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">School of Culture, History and Language<br>College of Asia and the Pacific<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">Rm 4203, H.C. Coombs Building (#9)<br>The Australian National University<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">Acton ACT 2601<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">Australia<br><br>Co-chair of Public Relations</span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">Board of the </span><span style="font-size:9pt">International Olympiad of Linguistics</span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><a href="http://www.ioling.org" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:9pt" target="_blank">www.ioling.org</a><br><br><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt">Blogger at Humans Who Read Grammars</span></font><br><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12px"><a href="http://humans-who-read-grammars.blogspot." target="_blank">http://humans-who-read-grammars.blogspot.</a></span></font><br></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 July 2017 at 05:53, Francoise Rose <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Francoise.Rose@univ-lyon2.fr" target="_blank">Francoise.Rose@univ-lyon2.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="FR" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_5142549186664825803WordSection1"><span class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Dear Alex,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">It seems that Mojeño Trinitario (Arawak, Bolivia) shows the pattern you are looking for. There are two terms for ‘older sibling’, and one for ‘younger sibling’. They apply both to male and female referents and are used by both male and female speakers. The three terms are necessarily preceded by a possessive prefix. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">-echovi, -porape ‘older sibling’ (speakers don’t note any difference in meaning, but I haven’t worked on that topic)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">-ati ‘younger sibling’<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Please let me know if you want more data.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">NB: Mojeño shows a genderlect distinction (Rose 2013), but as I have argued elsewhere (Rose 2015), contrarily to common thought, there is no kinship system that encodes the gender of the speaker (while some encode the gender of the referent or that of the ego).<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_5142549186664825803__MailEndCompose"></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;text-autospace:none"><span lang="ES-BO">Rose, Françoise. 2013. </span><span lang="ES-BO" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">“</span><span lang="ES-BO">Los generolectos del mojeño</span><span lang="ES-BO" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">”</span><span lang="ES-BO">, in <i>Liames</i>: 13, 115-134.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Rose, Françoise. 2015. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">“</span><span lang="EN-US">On male and female speech and more. A typology of categorical gender indexicality in indigenous South American languages</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">”</span><span lang="EN-US">, in <i>International Journal of American Linguistics</i>: 81.4, 495-537.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Very best,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Françoise ROSE<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Directeur de Recherches 2^ème classe, CNRS<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Laboratoire Dynamique Du Langage (CNRS/Université Lyon2)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">16 avenue Berthelot<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">69007 Lyon<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">FRANCE<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">(33)4 72 72 64 63<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f4e79"><a href="http://www.ddl.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/ROSE" target="_blank">www.ddl.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/ROSE</a><i><u></u><u></u></i></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></span><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">De :</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lingtyp [mailto:<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp-bounces@<wbr>listserv.linguistlist.org</a>] <b>De la part de</b> Hedvig Skirgård<span class=""><br><b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 19 juillet 2017 01:32<br><b>À :</b> <<a href="mailto:LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG" target="_blank">LINGTYP@LISTSERV.<wbr>LINGUISTLIST.ORG</a>> <<a href="mailto:LINGTYP@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">LINGTYP@listserv.<wbr>linguistlist.org</a>>; Alexandra Marley <<a href="mailto:alexandra.marley@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">alexandra.marley@anu.edu.au</a>>; Kyla Quinn <<a href="mailto:kyla.quinn@anu.edu.au" target="_blank">kyla.quinn@anu.edu.au</a>><br></span><b>Objet :</b> [Lingtyp] Kinship systems that distinguish age but not gender<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear LINGTYP, <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone know of a language that has a distinction in the kinship system for age of referent (younger/older) without also having a distinction for gender of referent? For example, a language that marks siblings as being younger or older to ego without reference to being sister or brother.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The hypothesis is that this doesn't happen/is very rare. We'd like to know if you've come across any examples of this.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I'm asking for my friend Alex (cc:ed) who is not on the list. Please direct any responses or comments to her.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">***</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Tōfā soifua,</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hedvig Skirgård</span></b><u></u><u></u></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br></span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">PhD Candidate<br><span style="color:#c45911">The Wellsprings of Linguistic Diversity</span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ARC Centre of Excellence for the Dynamics of Language</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">School of Culture, History and Language<br>College of Asia and the Pacific</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rm 4203, H.C. Coombs Building (#9)<br>The Australian National University</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Acton ACT 2601</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Australia<br><br>Co-chair of Public Relations</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Board of the International Olympiad of Linguistics</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><a href="http://www.ioling.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">www.ioling.org</span></a><br><br><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Blogger at Humans Who Read Grammars</span><br><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="http://humans-who-read-grammars.blogspot." target="_blank">http://humans-who-read-<wbr>grammars.blogspot.</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></di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