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Dear all,<br>
<br>
In his earlier post, David Gil wrote: "I do so without offering
actual citations because I think it is important to maintain a
civilized conversation devoid of ad hominem remarks."<br>
<br>
David mentions an important point here when it comes to conveying
the impression of an inclusive and welcoming community.<br>
<br>
Gerhard<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21.11.2017 23:08, Emily M. Bender
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Speaking as something of an outsider, I would say that
there have definitely been contributions to this discussion
that suggest that, even if everyone here agrees that
harassment is bad, not everyone agrees that harassment is
actually a problem in academia in general, or that it is not a
problem worth addressing. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For example, from Martin's message at the top of the
thread:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"<span style="font-size:12.8px">I am aware that in
Anglo-American culture, such codes of conduct are more and
more widespread, but there are big cultural differences. In
most parts of the world, precarious employment and
restrictions on travel are much more urgent problems that
are worth thinking about. I suggest that ALT's EC consider
also other options to make people feel welcome at ALT
conferences, e.g. to increase the participation fees for
participants from rich countries substantially, in order to
alleviate the outrageous obstacles to conference
participation that many (potential) ALT members face."</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Emily</span></div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Maria
Koptjevskaja Tamm <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:tamm@ling.su.se" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">tamm@ling.su.se</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">
Just a moment: was there anyone who said anything about
being unsupportive of people from diverse backgrounds and
communities? I thought this is exactly what has been
pointed out in the discussion – the members of this list
have very different background, we work with different
languages and cultures and should therefore be aware of
the differences in people’s understanding of what is
appropriate, inappropriate and all that.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I don’t think people should judge the climate in the
academic world the ALT represents by the email
discussions on the list. These are miles away from both
the conferences and from our normal activities and
communication. As everyone on this list knows, most of
the members hardly ever post anything on it, which does
not mean that they lack any opinions -– either on a
particular issue or in general. It’s not their cup of
tea. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It’s not mine either by the way – even though I count
myself to very active representatives of the field.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div>Masha</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div><br>
<div>Prof. Maria Koptjevskaja Tamm<br>
Dept. of linguistics, Stockholm university, 106 91,
Stockholm, Sweden<br>
tel.: +46-8-16 26 20 (office)<br>
<a href="http://www.ling.su.se/tamm" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.ling.su.se/tamm</a><br>
<a href="mailto:tamm@ling.su.se" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">tamm@ling.su.se</a><br>
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<div>On 21 Nov 2017, at 22:33, Andrew Garrett
<<a href="mailto:garrett@berkeley.edu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">garrett@berkeley.edu</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">hi all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>thank you for the question. Again, I
emphasize my outsider status and express
gratitude for being able to contribute
to the conversation!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would be surprised if anybody feels
intimidated by the simple fact of an
open conversation; hopefully everybody
is in favor of that. And so many
societies lack a meeting code of conduct
that its absence may well not be driving
people away. But the current lingtyp
conversation is definitely being
circulated (not by me), and observed,
among linguists who are not ALT members.
Many linguists — possibly even most
linguists! — do not self-identify as
primarily "typologists" but are
interested in typology to a greater or
lesser degree; such people may choose
whether or not to join ALT and drift a
little closer to the important academic
world it represents. If they perceive
the climate in that world to be
unsympathetic to equity and inclusion,
and unsupportive of people from diverse
backgrounds and communities, they may
choose to go to a different conference
or join a different organization that
seems friendlier to them.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>best,</div>
<div>Andrew</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 21,
2017 at 1:12 PM, Giorgio Francesco
Arcodia
<span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:giorgio.arcodia@unimib.it"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">giorgio.arcodia@unimib.it</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="margin:0 0 0
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<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div>
<div>Dear Andrew, dear all,<br>
<br>
</div>
This is what I read in your
e-mail (my emphasis):<span><br>
<br>
"Clarity in this area, and
an expressed position along
the lines of the excellent
ACL policy circulated by
Emily Bender,
<b>would probably also help
draw people into ALT who
are currently on the
outside and (in some
cases, I think) find
themselves discouraged by
some of the tenor of the
current conversation</b>."<br>
<br>
</span></div>
English is obviously not my
mother tongue, hence I might be
misinterpreting your words, but
what I understand is: there are
people who would join
(/participate in) ALT, but who
are currently discouraged to do
so by the fact that we are
discussing the merits and
demerits of a proposed Code of
Conduct.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If this is what you meant, I
have to admit that, honestly,
this is incomprehensible to me.
Should we refrain from
discussing in an open forum
because otherwise people who are
probably not even in this
mailing list might feel
intimidated? Above all, are
there really cases of people who
stay away from ALT because ALT
does not have a code of conduct?
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On the other hand, I do agree
that the ACL policy circulated
by Emily Bender sounds much more
reasonable than the original ALT
proposal. As Sebastian Nordhoff
cleverly pointed out, its
purpose is clear and its scope
is adequately defined, in my
view. The ACL policy 1.
discourages harassing etc.; 2.
provides a fairly sensible
procedure (i.e. how to deal with
cases of
<i>alleged</i> harassment),
without assuming guilt.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lastly, I still haven't read
a reply to David Gil's very
clever and thought-provoking
challenge: how about the 'Padang
incident'? Or is that one fine,
because it fits in our
(Anglophone) Western conception
of what is acceptable and what
is not?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Giorgio F. Arcodia<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-11-21
17:22 GMT+01:00 Andrew
Garrett <span dir="ltr">
<<a
href="mailto:garrett@berkeley.edu"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">garrett@berkeley.edu</a>></span>:<br>
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class="gmail_quote"
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<div dir="ltr">Hi all -
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please forgive what
may seem like an
intrusion from a
linguist who happens
to be on the ALT email
list but is not an ALT
member. From my
perspective (within a
US linguistics
department), it seems
very important that
institutions and
organizations provide
clear statements
regarding harassment.
Bullying and
harassment, ranging on
a spectrum from
intellectual bullying
to sexual harassment
(not to mention
assault), are constant
problems in our public
and academic life, and
are all too easy to
minimize if we simply
leave it up to our
collective and
individual goodwill.
Most scholars and
scientists do have
goodwill, but it is
incredibly easy for us
to turn a blind eye to
the problem of
harassment, and
thereby disempower,
devalue, and exclude
the voices of those
who experience it, if
we do not experience
it ourselves.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Clarity in this
area, and an expressed
position along the
lines of the excellent
ACL policy circulated
by Emily Bender, would
probably also help
draw people into ALT
who are currently on
the outside and (in
some cases, I think)
find themselves
discouraged by some of
the tenor of the
current conversation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you for your
discussions of this
important subject. I
wish all professional
societies were as
engaged as ALT.<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Andrew Garrett</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<pre cols="72">Andrew Garrett
Professor and Chair, Department of Linguistics
Nadine M. Tang and Bruce L. Smith Professor of Cross-Cultural Social Sciences
Director, Survey of California and Other Indian Languages
1203 Dwinelle Hall #2650
University of California
Berkeley CA 94720-2650
email: <a href="mailto:garrett@berkeley.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">garrett@berkeley.edu</a>
web: <a href="http://linguistics.berkeley.edu/%7Egarrett" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://linguistics.berkeley.ed<wbr>u/~garrett</a></pre>
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<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Tue, Nov 21, 2017
at 6:07 AM, Emily
M. Bender <span
dir="ltr">
<<a
href="mailto:ebender@uw.edu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ebender@uw.edu</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear
all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In case
it is helpful
for this
discussion,
here is a link
to the
anti-harassment
policy
recently
adopted by the
Association
for
Computational
Linguistics,
another
international
scholarly
organization:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a
href="https://aclweb.org/adminwiki/index.php?title=Anti-Harassment_Policy"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://aclweb.org/adminwiki/i<wbr>ndex.php?title=Anti-Harassment<wbr>_Policy</a></div>
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We (the ACL
exec) are
presently in
the process of
developing
procedures to
follow in case
of complaints
raised under
the policy.
These cases
are never
easy, and of
course none of
this is
pleasant to
think about.
However, it is
clear that
despite the
fact that most
people attend
academic
conferences in
good faith and
without
wishing to
make the
atmosphere
unwelcoming to
anyone, cases
of harassment
do occur, and
that therefore
the status quo
is
unacceptable.
Furthermore,
it is a
helpful,
positive thing
for
professional
organizations
to set
expectations.
That
expectation
setting in and
of itself can
help
underrepresented
groups feel
more welcome
and supported
(and more
likely to
stick around
in the
field). The
"worst case"
consequences
in policies
such as this
are there to
give them
teeth, but are
never
automatic
consequences
of a complaint
being
raised. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Emily</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>p.s.
Here's the
text of the
ACL policy:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>===</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Anti-Harassment
Policy</div>
<div>The open
exchange of
ideas, the
freedom of
thought and
expression,
and respectful
scientific
debate are
central to the
aims and goals
of the ACL.
These require
a community
and an
environment
that
recognizes the
inherent worth
of every
person and
group, that
fosters
dignity,
understanding,
and mutual
respect, and
that embraces
diversity. For
these reasons,
ACL is
dedicated to
providing a
harassment-free
experience for
all the
members, as
well as
participants
at our events
and in our
programs.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Harassment
and hostile
behavior are
unwelcome at
any ACL
conference,
associated
event, or in
ACL-affiliated
on-line
discussions.
This includes:
speech or
behavior that
intimidates,
creates
discomfort, or
interferes
with a
person's
participation
or opportunity
for
participation
in a
conference or
an event. We
aim for
ACL-related
activities to
be an
environment
where
harassment in
any form does
not happen,
including but
not limited
to: harassment
based on race,
gender,
religion, age,
color,
appearance,
national
origin,
ancestry,
disability,
sexual
orientation,
or gender
identity.
Harassment
includes
degrading
verbal
comments,
deliberate
intimidation,
stalking,
harassing
photography or
recording,
inappropriate
physical
contact, and
unwelcome
sexual
attention. The
policy is not
intended to
inhibit
challenging
scientific
debate, but
rather to
promote it
through
ensuring that
all are
welcome to
participate in
shared spirit
of scientific
inquiry.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It is the
responsibility
of the
community as a
whole to
promote an
inclusive and
positive
environment
for our
scholarly
activities. In
addition,
anyone who
experiences
harassment or
hostile
behavior may
contact any
current member
of the ACL
Executive
Committee
([1]) or
contact
Priscilla
Rasmussen (<a
href="mailto:acl@aclweb.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">acl@aclweb.org</a>),
who is usually
available at
the
registration
desk during
ACL
conferences.
Members of the
executive
committee will
be instructed
to keep any
such contact
in strict
confidence,
and those who
approach the
committee will
be consulted
before any
actions are
taken.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Implementation</div>
<div>This
policy should
be posted
prominently on
all ACL
conference and
workshop
webpages, with
a notice of a
list of people
who can be
contacted by
community
members with
concerns. In
case of a
formal
complaint, the
contacted ACL
representative(s) will first speak to all parties involved to try to
resolve the
issue without
presupposition
of guilt.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Approved
by ACL
Executive
Committee,
2016<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>===</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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Tue, Nov 21,
2017 at 5:13
AM, Good, Jeff
<span
dir="ltr">
<<a
href="mailto:jcgood@buffalo.edu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jcgood@buffalo.edu</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Dear all,<br>
<br>
In light of
the ongoing
debate about
the proposed
code of
conduct, I
would like to
send a brief
message on
behalf of the
ALT Executive
Committee.<br>
<br>
The ALT
Executive
Committee
recognizes the
importance of
allowing open
debates on
topics of
relevance to
the
association
and encourages
members with
an opinion on
the proposed
code of
conduct to
voice their
views publicly
on as they see
fit.
Regardless of
the outcome of
the vote, we
welcome
further
discussion of
this topic at
the upcoming
biennial
meeting.<br>
<br>
We also
encourage
members to
vote on the
code (whether
for or
against) as
presently
proposed, and
we do not plan
to propose a
revised code
before the
biennial
meeting. Based
on the
discussion at
the meeting, a
revision to
the code can
be developed
if the present
code is passed
or a new code
can be
proposed if
the present
proposal does
not pass.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Jeff Good<br>
President,
Association
for Linguistic
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