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<p>I am writing to rectify the gender imbalance on this list, where most conversations including this one seem to be male dominated ;-). </p>
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<p>I am a woman and those of you who know me (even just as FB friends for that matter) know that I care and am vocal about gender (im)balance.</p>
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<p>This is precisely why myself and my colleague Gwen Hyslop, who I am just discussing the matter with, <b>are voting NO to the code of conduct</b>. </p>
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While we agree that there is a need for awareness, the "trend" imposed by such actions can only, in our opinion, be detrimental to interpersonal relationships and to gender balance in particular. </p>
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The reasons are multiple and complex, and I am not prepared to discuss them on this list. I will be happy to discuss them in private (and preferably face to face) if appropriate.
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<p>With best regards, </p>
<p>Maļa & Gwen</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of David Gil <gil@shh.mpg.de><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 21 November 2017 8:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] ALT: code of conduct</font>
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<div class="PlainText">Having said my bit I was hoping not to have to add to the discussion,
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but I feel the need to counter two lines of rhetoric that seem to have <br>
emerged. (I do so without offering actual citations because I think it <br>
is important to maintain a civilized conversation devoid of ad hominem <br>
remarks.)<br>
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First, I am uncomfortable with the implication that there is a job to be <br>
done and that this is somehow being "derailed" by too much discussion. <br>
The debate is precisely on what should be done, what is ethical and what <br>
is practical. If we're to invoke train metaphors, then I would counter <br>
by saying that we must avoid being railroaded into one very specific way <br>
of going about addressing the problem. Which leads into ...<br>
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Secondly, and perhaps more cogently, I am very uncomfortable with the <br>
implication that people who support the code of ethics somehow take the <br>
issues more seriously than those who are opposed to it. I suspect most <br>
ALT members would agree that we are in a gender-based conflict involving <br>
multiple levels of aggression, coercion and violence, mostly if not <br>
exclusively waged by men against women. And that we desperately need to <br>
do something about it. The debate is over the methods, and it is a <br>
legitimate debate. Just is it is possible to argue over the <br>
justification of the WWII carpet bombing of Dresden without being <br>
accused of harbouring Nazi sympathies, so it should be possible to <br>
criticize the proposed ALT code of ethics without being suspected of <br>
lacking sympathy or understanding for the struggles that are faced by women.<br>
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David<br>
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David Gil<br>
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Department of Linguistic and Cultural Evolution<br>
Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History<br>
Kahlaische Strasse 10, 07745 Jena, Germany<br>
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Email: gil@shh.mpg.de<br>
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