<div dir="ltr">In the interest of this not blowing up any further, I will await the EC:s decision on whether we're going to have this vote now as planned, or postpone it until the business meeting and have more people submit concrete suggestions. I don't think we can really move forward until that is clear.<div><div><br></div><div>/Hedvig</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:9pt"><b><br></b></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><b>Med vänliga hälsningar</b><b>,</b><br></font></p><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><b><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Hedvig Skirgård</font></b></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><br></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><font size="1"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">PhD Candidate</span><br></font></p><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font size="1">The Wellsprings of Linguistic Diversity</font></span></p><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="1">ARC Centre of Excellence for the Dynamics of Language</font></p><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="1">School of Culture, History and Language<br>College of Asia and the Pacific</font></p><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="1">The Australian National University</font></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666" size="1"><a href="https://sites.google.com/site/hedvigskirgard/" target="_blank">Website</a><br></font></p><div><br></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt"><br></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 21 November 2017 at 11:34, David Gil <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gil@shh.mpg.de" target="_blank">gil@shh.mpg.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Having said my bit I was hoping not to have to add to the discussion, but I feel the need to counter two lines of rhetoric that seem to have emerged. (I do so without offering actual citations because I think it is important to maintain a civilized conversation devoid of ad hominem remarks.)<br>
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First, I am uncomfortable with the implication that there is a job to be done and that this is somehow being "derailed" by too much discussion. The debate is precisely on what should be done, what is ethical and what is practical. If we're to invoke train metaphors, then I would counter by saying that we must avoid being railroaded into one very specific way of going about addressing the problem. Which leads into ...<br>
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Secondly, and perhaps more cogently, I am very uncomfortable with the implication that people who support the code of ethics somehow take the issues more seriously than those who are opposed to it. I suspect most ALT members would agree that we are in a gender-based conflict involving multiple levels of aggression, coercion and violence, mostly if not exclusively waged by men against women. And that we desperately need to do something about it. The debate is over the methods, and it is a legitimate debate. Just is it is possible to argue over the justification of the WWII carpet bombing of Dresden without being accused of harbouring Nazi sympathies, so it should be possible to criticize the proposed ALT code of ethics without being suspected of lacking sympathy or understanding for the struggles that are faced by women.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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