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<div>I would like to add my agreement to the recent posts in support of the Code of Conduct (which I have already voted yes for). As others have said much better than me, an important role that a Code of Conduct plays is that it allows us as an Association
to send a message of support and inclusion to junior and less privileged members of our ranks and to convey the expectations we have of our members and their behaviour. I agree with those who have pointed out that we are generally a very collegial and well-meaning
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> on behalf of Kilu von Prince <<a href="mailto:watasenia@gmail.com">watasenia@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, 22 November 2017 4:42 pm<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<<a href="mailto:LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG">LINGTYP@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG</a>>" <<a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Lingtyp] ALT: code of conduct<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear all,
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<div>just weighing in very briefly. I am very happy to be a member of this community and have benefitted greatly from less heated and less politicised discussions. Having said that, I just wanted to add: Many people have never felt safe at a conference because
of their skin color, cultural background, disability, gender, sexual orientation and similar aspects of identity as it says in the proposed code.<br>
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<div>If you have felt safe and at home so far, that is your privilege. And yes, agreeing to a Code of Conduct might mean giving up some of that privilege and taking a leap of faith that it will be handled responsibly. There have been productive discussions
about what exactly a CoC should look like and some good results, but there is never going to be a completely fool-proof version. I would like to ask us, who have been enjoying considerable privilege (first person plural inclusive), to take a leap of faith,
so that everyone can enjoy a certain level of comfort and safety.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Kilu</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 3:02 AM, Dan I. SLOBIN <span dir="ltr">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Giorgio Francesco Arcodia
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<div dir="auto">In reply to Hedvig: Martin H. actually did propose an alternative, I'll paste it here:<br>
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<p style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">Conference participants will:</p>
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<li>treat fellow participants, students, volunteers, and any other members of the public with respect, dignity, impartiality, courtesy and sensitivity;</li><li>maintain a cooperative and collaborative approach to inter-personal relationships;</li><li>respect the privacy of others;</li><li>ensure that they do not become involved in or encourage discrimination against or harassment of participants, students, volunteers, or any other members of the public.</li></ul>
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</span>I think this is a very reasonable proposal, and I would support it.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 21 Nov 2017 01:48, "Maia Ponsonnet" <<a href="mailto:maia.ponsonnet@uwa.edu.au" target="_blank">maia.ponsonnet@uwa.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<p>Dear all, </p>
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<p>I am writing to rectify the gender imbalance on this list, where most conversations including this one seem to be male dominated ;-). </p>
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<p>I am a woman and those of you who know me (even just as FB friends for that matter) know that I care and am vocal about gender (im)balance.</p>
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<p>This is precisely why myself and my colleague Gwen Hyslop, who I am just discussing the matter with, <b>are voting NO to the code of conduct</b>. </p>
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While we agree that there is a need for awareness, the "trend" imposed by such actions can only, in our opinion, be detrimental to interpersonal relationships and to gender balance in particular. </p>
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The reasons are multiple and complex, and I am not prepared to discuss them on this list. I will be happy to discuss them in private (and preferably face to face) if appropriate.
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<p>With best regards, </p>
<p>Maïa & Gwen</p>
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but I feel the need to counter two lines of rhetoric that seem to have <br>
emerged. (I do so without offering actual citations because I think it <br>
is important to maintain a civilized conversation devoid of ad hominem <br>
remarks.)<br>
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First, I am uncomfortable with the implication that there is a job to be <br>
done and that this is somehow being "derailed" by too much discussion. <br>
The debate is precisely on what should be done, what is ethical and what <br>
is practical. If we're to invoke train metaphors, then I would counter <br>
by saying that we must avoid being railroaded into one very specific way <br>
of going about addressing the problem. Which leads into ...<br>
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Secondly, and perhaps more cogently, I am very uncomfortable with the <br>
implication that people who support the code of ethics somehow take the <br>
issues more seriously than those who are opposed to it. I suspect most <br>
ALT members would agree that we are in a gender-based conflict involving <br>
multiple levels of aggression, coercion and violence, mostly if not <br>
exclusively waged by men against women. And that we desperately need to <br>
do something about it. The debate is over the methods, and it is a <br>
legitimate debate. Just is it is possible to argue over the <br>
justification of the WWII carpet bombing of Dresden without being <br>
accused of harbouring Nazi sympathies, so it should be possible to <br>
criticize the proposed ALT code of ethics without being suspected of <br>
lacking sympathy or understanding for the struggles that are faced by women.<br>
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David<br>
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