<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Regular sound changes can also obscure originally sound symbolic forms. In some cases, like with English “tiny”, which went from [tʰini] to [tʰaini] due to regular sound shift, speakers recreated the more sound-symbolic form, and so we get “tini”, as in “tini-tiny” [tʰini-tʰaini], as they felt [tʰaini] just wasn’t [tʰaini] enough! This is unlikely to happen with all words affected by such changes.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Randy<br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 15 Jan 2018, at 11:57 PM, Heath Jeffrey <<a href="mailto:schweinehaxen@hotmail.com" class="">schweinehaxen@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">If you look at stem-internal diminutivization processes (i.e. vocalic and/or consonant mutation) rather than adjectives meaning 'small' or nouns like 'child', you get stronger sound-symbolic correlations, though the number of languages is smaller. Those adjectives and nouns that are consistent with sound symbolism in typological samples may have originally been subject to such stem-internal processes, now perhaps frozen, but not all such adjectives and nouns have any diminutive phonetic features.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Australian languages are not rich in stem-internal ablaut, so far as I know, but there are embryonic outbreaks of it, such as Nunggubuyu (aka Wubuy) wirig 'small' and its diminutive wiɲig 'little, teeny', their irregular plurals wuraayuŋ and wuɲaaɲuŋ, and two other lexical pairs with r/ɲ alternation. <span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">wiɲig is likely < *gaɲaʔ 'small'. It not only shows an etymologically incorrect (but sound-symbolically correct) shift to i-vowels, it also has its w harden to b instead of etymologically correct g after a nasal, hence -biɲig rather than *-giɲig. Even the less intensively diminutive wirig 'small' does this (-birig after nasal), though it too probably originated with initial *g (cf. -girikiriɲ in a neighboring language). Not only do these developments resonate with vocalic sound symbolism (high F2 = small, cute, endearing) and consonantal sound symbolism (palatalization = high F2 = ...), they also resonate with an interesting tendency to intensify the high F2 by juxtaposing a rounded vowel or semivowel (all formants low), exactly as in teen(s)y-ween(s)y and wee, Arabic diminutives beginning Cwi... or Cwiyy...</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">with nonlexical w</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">, and with inverted syllabicity English cute, choo-choo 'train', and so forth. It is in these embryonic developments, and not in sweeping typological surveys based on operational definitions of target forms that are loosened to be applicable to all/most languages, that the power of sound symbolism is manifested.</span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Similarly, in sociophonetics, sound symbolism is manifested most clearly in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">relatively<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">abrupt</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>sharp movements of individual vowels in the æ → e → i direction (generally favored by urban/middle-class women at least </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">in developed societies), or less often in the direction of ɔ (mostly </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">men), rather than in crossdialectal comparisons of total vowel systems which reflect subsequent recalibrations of vowel positions (Current Anthropology 39: 421ff.). </span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">This is one example among many why I prefer close synchronic and historical study among closely related languages to typology as practiced since Greenberg, even when the ultimate goal is crosslinguistic.</span></div></div><hr tabindex="-1" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline-block; width: 1235.765625px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""></span><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lingtyp <<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" class="">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> on behalf of Claire Bowern <<a href="mailto:clairebowern@gmail.com" class="">clairebowern@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, January 15, 2018 7:46:39 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>JOO Ian<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org" class="">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Lingtyp] Do experimental and typological studies predict each other?</font><div class=""> </div></div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">For some information about this in an Australian context, see Haynie, Bowern, and LaPalombara (2014): <a href="https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjournals.plos.org%2Fplosone%2Farticle%3Fid%3D10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0092852&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb8cb7cef1d6047a97ba808d55c17205a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636516176750098890&sdata=Bcl3oViVNpMeWW%2FvLqN9qx4B2XtaJ%2BmwNfacpDxi12E%3D&reserved=0" class="">http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0092852</a>.. We found some support but not in every language we looked at.<div class="">Claire</div></div><div class="x_gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="x_gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 7:04 AM, JOO Ian<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:il.y.en.a@outlook.com" target="_blank" class="">il.y.en.a@outlook.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="x_gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div lang="EN-US" class=""><div class="x_m_-765965932935744597WordSection1"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Dear all,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Many experimental studies show that people tend to associate high front vowels with small size and low back vowels with large size<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">(<i class="">e. g.</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Shinohara and Kawahara 2010)</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Bauer’s<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">(1996)</span><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>study, on the other hand, show that diminutive and augmentative affixes are not correlated with specific vowels, contrary to what one would expect based on experimental studies.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">This leads me to think that experimental and typological studies do not always predict each other. That is, the correlations demonstrated by experiments are not necessarily statistically visible in natural languages, what is statistically significant in natural languages may not be demonstrable through experiments.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">What do you think about the predictability between experimental and typological studies? Can you think of any example where there is no predictability, like the case of Bauer (1996)?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Sincerely,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Ian Joo<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a href="https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fianjoo.academia.edu&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb8cb7cef1d6047a97ba808d55c17205a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636516176750098890&sdata=KBOmTkhNkTSbG2I3NwyeV9997aX9LCUkYxTC2FTkKPw%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" class="">http://ianjoo.academia.edu</a><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">References<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Bauer, Laurie. “No Phonetic Iconicity in Evaluative Morphology.”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Studia Linguistica</i>, vol. 50, no. 2, 1996, pp. 189–206.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Shinohara, Kazuko, and Shigeto Kawahara. “A Cross-Linguistic Study of Sound Symbolism: The Images of Size.”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Annual Meeting of the Berkeley Linguistics Society</i>, vol. 36, 2010, pp. 396–410.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; 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