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<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-size:small">And I've lectured to confused non-linguists who wonder what all of these strange phenomena have to do with "topology." All of this back and forth shows that there's no rubric that a complex set of questions
can fit under. I share Martin's misgivings--but do remember that we have a journal and an association dedicated to "linguistic typology" --as much as I wish there was an English equivalent of
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<div class="x_gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Indeed, in the historical framework, typological and taxonomic studies are precursors to more systematic science. That was, for example, the contribution of Linnaeus. We're still at the stage when we need
good descriptive work, and we don't have to be apologetic about that. Sometimes I see us as a collection of Linnaeus's waiting for Darwin, not knowing what Darwin will need. </div>
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<div class="x_gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 4:49 PM, Hedvig Skirgård <span dir="ltr">
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<div dir="ltr">Just as an illustration of non-linguists (or even non-typologists) not understanding the short term "typology". Recently at an event for our research centre I did a short presentation of the field and there were non-linguists in the audience
who found it very enlightening, because they had thought that "typology" was the study of how people type language.
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">I would point out that in English, the term “comparative linguistics” is typically used as a shorthand for “historical-comparative linguistics”, i.e. that part of historical linguistics that concerns itself with genealogical
relatedness between languages, reconstruction etc., as opposed to diachronic change within a single language. (See e.g.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>Comparative_linguistics</a>.)
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<div>I see that in German (according to the corresponding Wikipedia entry), the term
<i>vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft</i> has a broader meaning which encompasses both historical linguistics (<i>historisch-vergleichende S—</i>) and typology (<i>allgemein-vergleichende S—</i>); this makes sense of the name of the department in Zurich (otherwise
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<div>Thus the use of “comparative linguistics” to refer to (only) linguistic typology would seem to be in competition with existing usage in both English and German. That said, I can see the utility of having a cover term that encompasses both historical linguistics
and typology, and would support using “comparative linguistics” in the German sense. I’m not sure if this is within the scope of the current discussion, though.</div>
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all,</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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is the name of our subfield (or subcommunity):<span class="x_m_7908905400028110295m_-6679970945402115793Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255); float:none; display:inline!important"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br>
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“language typology”?<u></u><u></u></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="x_m_7908905400028110295m_-6679970945402115793Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
“linguistic typology”?<u></u><u></u></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="x_m_7908905400028110295m_-6679970945402115793Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
or maybe simply “comparative linguistics”?<br>
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Linguists know that there is no difference between the first two, and they also understand the shorter "typology", but this term is opaque for nonlinguists, and the duality of<span class="x_m_7908905400028110295m_-6679970945402115793Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">“language
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and “linguistic typology” is inconvenient, because there is incomplete aggregation on sites like Google Scholar and<span class="x_m_7908905400028110295m_-6679970945402115793Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://academia.edu/" target="_blank" id="LPlnk416971" previewremoved="true">Academia.edu</a>.<span class="x_m_7908905400028110295m_-6679970945402115793Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>
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(It seems that on<span class="x_m_7908905400028110295m_-6679970945402115793Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://academia.edu/" target="_blank" id="LPlnk814698" previewremoved="true">Academia.edu</a>, 6354 people are followers of “language typology”,
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it seems clear that “language typology” is the older term, and has become current in the 1970s.<span class="x_m_7908905400028110295m_-6679970945402115793Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255); font-size:12pt; font-family:Cambria"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Since
the 1990s, it got a competitor ("linguistic typology"), for unclear reasons.<br>
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(More on the history of these two terms can be found in the following blogpost:<span class="x_m_7908905400028110295m_-6679970945402115793Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="x_m_7908905400028110295m_-6679970945402115793moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dlc.hypotheses.org/1022" target="_blank" id="LPlnk51405" previewremoved="true">https://dlc.hypothes<wbr>es.org/1022</a>)<br>
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So I'm wondering: Maybe we should consider switching to an entirely different, fully transparent term, namely "comparative linguistics"?<br>
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seems that there are quite a few well-established fields with “comparative” in their names: comparative economics, comparative education, comparative law, comparative literature, comparative mythology, comparative psychology, and “comparative zoology” even
has a famous museum on the Harvard campus.<u></u><u></u></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><u></u><span class="x_m_7908905400028110295m_-6679970945402115793Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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far, at least one department of comparative linguistics in the relevant sense exists: at the University of Zurich,<a class="x_m_7908905400028110295m_-6679970945402115793moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.comparativelinguistics.uzh.ch/en.html" target="_blank" id="LPlnk633526" previewremoved="true">http://www.comparativel<wbr>inguistics.uzh.ch/en.html</a>).</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="x_m_7908905400028110295m_-6679970945402115793Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span><br style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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I feel that the term “comparative linguistics” for what used to be called “language/linguistic typology” has another big advantage: The term fails to signal association with a particular subcommunity – and this is good. After all, many comparative linguists
work in a generative framework, and these do not usually associate with the term “typology”. However, much of what they do is clearly “typological” in the usually understood sense, so it is really odd to exclude this community terminologically.</span></span></div>
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