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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The crucial property of Finnish is not so much that it distinguishes by case the place at which something is located from the place to which something moves as that it uses the “endpoint
of motion” cases also with some verbs where there is no motion involved, such as ‘remain’ and ‘stay’, as was noted by Florian Siegl. There is a somewhat analogous use of ‘from’-cases with verbs meaning ‘find’, ‘look for’, as in
<i>Hän etsii avainta taskusta </i>‘He is looking for the key in his pocket’ (lit. ‘from the pocket’) . (‘Hide’ is different as it may or may not involve motion.)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I have an old paper on this, see below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-24.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">Dah Dahl, Östen. 1987. Case Grammar and Prototypes. In René Dirven & Gunter Radden (eds.),
<i>Concepts of Case</i>, 147–161. </span>Tübingen: Narr.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Från:</b> Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org>
<b>För </b>Sergey Say<br>
<b>Skickat:</b> den 11 oktober 2018 18:52<br>
<b>Till:</b> lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org<br>
<b>Ämne:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] "I hide my stone in my house"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">A close colleague of mine, Natalia Zaika, wrote a paper on exactly this kind of alternation "in Lithuanian and elsewhere", see
<a href="https://www.academia.edu/21511423/The_directive_locative_alternation_in_Lithuanian_and_elsewhere_2016_" target="_blank">
https://www.academia.edu/21511423/The_directive_locative_alternation_in_Lithuanian_and_elsewhere_2016_</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">There are many references to previous studies, too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Thursday, October 11, 2018, 7:37:28 PM GMT+3, Peter Arkadiev <<a href="mailto:peterarkadiev@yandex.ru">peterarkadiev@yandex.ru</a>> wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Nikitina, Tatiana.
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Variation in the encoding of endpoint of motion in Russian. In: V. Hasko, R. Perelmutter (eds.),
<i>New Approaches to Slavic Verbs of Motion</i>. Amsterdam, Philadelphia: John Benjamins, 2010, pp. 267–290.
<a href="https://www.academia.edu/2916470/Variation_in_the_encoding_of_endpoints_of_motion_in_Russian" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#26282A">Best regards,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">11.10.2018, 16:39, "Mike Morgan" <<a href="mailto:mwmbombay@gmail.com">mwmbombay@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 6:42 PM Bakker, Dik <<a href="mailto:D.Bakker@uva.nl" target="_blank">D.Bakker@uva.nl</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I think that one should not ignore<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Sebastian's English example (trans vs intrans) makes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">So, it seems not to be a clear-cut case where<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Van:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Lingtyp [<a href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>]
namens Hannu Tommola [<a href="mailto:hannu.tommola@uta.fi" target="_blank">hannu.tommola@uta.fi</a>]<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 11 oktober 2018 14:48<br>
<b>Aan:</b> Hartmut Haberland<br>
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<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] "I hide my stone in my house"</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><br>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">For a Finnish speaker this is the only plausible solution..;-) , besides, it seems still to be possible to use the German _verstecken_ in this way, too. See Duden Wörterbuch:
Sie versteckte das Geld in ihrem Schreibtisch / (selten:) in ihren Schreibtisch.<br>
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Best,<br>
Hannu<br>
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Quoting Hartmut Haberland <<a href="mailto:hartmut@ruc.dk" target="_blank">hartmut@ruc.dk</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">I am a German speaker and immediately I find the Finnish solution very plausible.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">
</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#1F497D">After all, in German we also have</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="color:#1F497D">Der Stein liegt in der Schale. (Dative)</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="color:#1F497D">Ich legte den Stein in die Schale.</span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">(Accusative)</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">So German is actually Finnish-type, too, in part at least. The problem seems to be with German ‘verstecken,’ that is not seen as a movement verb.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Cf.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="color:#1F497D">Ich verstecke den Stein hinter dem (not: hinter das) Haus.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="color:#1F497D">There are other German verbs like that, e.g. anbringen, ablegen, abstellen, parken, archivieren, speichern, … that work the same.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="color:#1F497D">Same with Danish <i>gemme</i> ‘verstecken, aufheben’:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#1F497D">Jeg gemmer maden (inde) i spisekammeret.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Now <i>inde</i> is not obligatory, actually a bit awkward, but possible. But it indicates place (where?), not direction (whither?), and the corresponding directional adverb (<i>ind</i>) would be impossible here.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="color:#1F497D">With verbs like <i>legen, stellen, setzen, sich setzen</i> German is like Finnish.</span><span lang="DE" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">But they seem to be in the minority.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Never thought of it –</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Wir parkten das Auto im Hof (We parked the car in the backyard), not</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="color:#1F497D">*Wir parkten das Auto in den Hof (*into the backyard)</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Besides</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Wir stellten das Auto im Hof ab (roughly same meaning, but more like ‚because it was in the way’)</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="color:#1F497D">I would marginally accept</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="DE" style="color:#1F497D">Wir stellten das Auto in den Hof ab</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">though.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>På vegne af</b> Joo Ian<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 11. oktober 2018 13:01<br>
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<b>Emne:</b> [Lingtyp] "I hide my stone in my house"</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Dear all,</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I am interested in the following hypothesis:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">In most of the world's languages, the PP "in my house" in sentence (1) and (2) are the same.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">(1) My stone is in my house.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">(2) I hide my stone in my house.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">For example, in German:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">(1) Mein Stein ist "in meinem Haus".</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">(2) Ich verstecke meinen Stein "in meinem Haus".</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Although there are few languages where the PP of (1) and (2) are not identical, such as Finnish:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">(1) Kiveni on "talossani". (Locative)</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">(2) Piilotan kiveni "talooni". (Illative)</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">But cases like Finnish are far fewer than English-like cases, I think.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I think this is interesting because the PP of (1) and that of (2) are semantically different: the PP in (1) is a location whereas that in PP is the endpoint of a placement
event. If I can show that the two PPs are morphologically identical in most of the world's languages, then I can suggest that placement event profiles a static location as its endpoint and not a dynamic goal, like Rohde has argued in her dissertation (<a href="https://scholarship.rice.edu/handle/1911/18015" target="_blank">https://scholarship.rice.edu/handle/1911/18015</a>)</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Although I find this issue interesting, I would like to know if others find it so as well. What do you think? (Also, I would appreciate if anyone can let me know any other
Finnish-like cases)</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">From Hong Kong,</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Ian Joo</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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