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    <p>Dear all,</p>
    <p>The interesting point about it is that it is more a question of
      deeper meaning - what is the starting point vs. the endpoint of
      the action, or its potential result - rather than a "motion" as
      such.</p>
    <p>For those interested to read about other Finno-Ugric languages 
      than the ones usually mentioned on internet, one can also take
      some examples from the nearest relatives of Finnic languages in
      the Fenno-Scandic area: Samic languages.<br>
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    <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="+1"><span
          style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
          NL" lang="NL">Generally speaking, Northern Sami appears to be
          much more “<u>localizing”</u> than
          English – a feature that is further accentuated by the fact
          that many verbs
          that take a direct or indirect object in most European
          languages govern a
          complement already orientated towards one of the two main
          directions:</span></font></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
        NL" lang="NL">1/ with the <u>directive</u> (formerly
        “illative”), verbs of emotion such
        as <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">j</b></span><b
        style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
        normal"><span style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:X-NONE"
          lang="X-NONE">áhkkit</span></b><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:X-NONE" lang="X-NONE">
        ‘to believe
        (in)’; <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">liikot</b> ‘to
        like’; <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">suhttat</b> ‘to
        be angry with’ </span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:35.4pt"><i
        style="mso-bidi-font-style:
        normal"><span style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:X-NONE"
          lang="X-NONE">Ale
          suhta munnje!</span></i><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
        X-NONE" lang="X-NONE"> </span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:35.4pt"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:X-NONE" lang="X-NONE">‘Don’t
        be angry with me!’</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
        X-NONE" lang="X-NONE">Also with verbs such as <b
          style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">gullat</b>
        ‘to belong to’; <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">guoskat</b>
        ‘to
        concern’; <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">heivet</b> ‘to
        suit’,</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
        X-NONE" lang="X-NONE"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes">     </span>and
        verbs meaning ‘to leave,
        to abandon, to stay’</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
        X-NONE" lang="X-NONE"><span style="mso-tab-count:1">           
        </span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:
          normal">Diet á</i></span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span
          style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:I-SAMI-NO"
          lang="I-SAMI-NO">šš</span></i><i
        style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span
          style="font-family:Times;
          mso-ansi-language:X-NONE" lang="X-NONE">i ii guskka <u>munnje</u></span></i></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:35.4pt"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:X-NONE" lang="X-NONE">‘That
        thing doesn’t concern
        me [is none of my concerns’]</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
        X-NONE" lang="X-NONE"><span style="mso-tab-count:1">           
        </span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:
          normal">Dat ii heive <u>buohkaide</u></i></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:35.4pt"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:X-NONE" lang="X-NONE">‘It
        doesn’t suit all (people)’</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
        X-NONE" lang="X-NONE"><span style="mso-tab-count:1">           
        </span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:
          normal">Áddjá bázii <u>duoddarii</u></i></span><i
        style="mso-bidi-font-style:
        normal"><span
          style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:I-SAMI-NO"
          lang="I-SAMI-NO"></span></i></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:35.4pt"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:X-NONE" lang="X-NONE">‘Grandfather
        stayed in the
        mountain’;</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
        X-NONE" lang="X-NONE">2/ with the <u>locative/separative</u>
        (formerly “inessive/elative”),
        verbs of emotion such as <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">ballat</b>
        ‘to
        fear, to be afraid of’; <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">bero</b></span><b
        style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span style="font-family:
          Times;mso-ansi-language:I-SAMI-NO" lang="I-SAMI-NO">š</span></b><b
        style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
        normal"><span style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:X-NONE"
          lang="X-NONE">tit</span></b><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:X-NONE" lang="X-NONE">
        ‘to be
        interested in’; <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">fuollat</b>
        ‘to worry
        about’; <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">váruhit</b> ‘to
        be careful of,
        to be wary of’:</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
        X-NONE" lang="X-NONE"><span style="mso-tab-count:1">           
        </span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:
          normal">Várut <u>beatnagis</u>! </i></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:35.4pt"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:X-NONE" lang="X-NONE">‘Beware
        of the dog!’</span><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:NL" lang="NL"></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
        NL" lang="NL"><span style="mso-tab-count:2">                       
        </span>(Examples from
        M.M.Jocelyne Fernandez-Vest, 2011, <i>SAMI. </i></span><i><span
          style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">An
          introduction to the
          language and culture</span></i><span style="font-family:Times;
        mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">, <i>with a
          Sami-English-Sami lexicon (2. Grammar</i><span
          style="mso-bidi-font-style:italic">, p. 33-99<i>)</i></span>,
        Helsinki, Finn
        Lectura.)</span><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span
          style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:NL" lang="NL"></span></b></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
        NL" lang="NL"> </span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="+1"><span
          style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
          NL" lang="NL">    Summing up, Northern Sami, compared with
          Finnish, is both </span></font></p>
    <font size="+1">
    </font>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="+1"><span
          style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
          NL" lang="NL">• <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">morphologically</i>
          less localizing
          than Finnish: in modern Northern Sami, the number of local
          cases has been
          reduced to 2: the directive (“illative”) and the locative
          (/separative) formed
          from the merger of the locative and separative (respectively
          referred to as
          “inessive” and “elative” in Finno-Ugric grammars) (NB.
          besides, no subclass of
          “internal vs. external” cases as in Finnish)</span></font></p>
    <font size="+1">
    </font>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="+1"><span
          style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
          NL" lang="NL">• <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">semantically</i>
          often more
          localizing : in Finnish, <b
            style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">pel</b></span><b
          style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span
            style="font-family:Times;
            mso-ansi-language:X-NONE" lang="X-NONE">ätä</span></b><span
          style="font-family:
          Times;mso-ansi-language:X-NONE" lang="X-NONE"> ‘to fear’, <b
            style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
            normal">varoa</b> ‘be careful of’ (see 2/ above) require a
          partitive, i.e. one
          of the object-cases (NB. originally a separative case). </span></font></p>
    <font size="+1">
    </font>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="+1"><span
          style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
          X-NONE" lang="X-NONE">And the direction of the action can be
          opposite: <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
            normal">tykätä</b> and <b
            style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">pitää</b> ‘to
          like’ require an elative:</span></font></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
        X-NONE" lang="X-NONE"><span style="mso-tab-count:1">           
        </span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:
          normal">En tykkää rockmusiiki<u>sta (elative)<br>
          </u></i></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
        X-NONE" lang="X-NONE"><span style="mso-tab-count:1">           
        </span>‘I don’t like
        rockmusic.’</span><span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
        NL" lang="NL"></span></p>
    <p class="Texte0"><font size="+1"><span
          style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
          NL" lang="NL"> </span></font></p>
    <p class="Texte0"><font size="+1"><span
          style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
          NL" lang="NL"></span>While the reasons for these construction
        patterns are an important subject of discussion for semanticians
        and cognitivists, non native speakers understand  generally that
        they'd be well advised to learn the construction rules by heart,
        since the system is not much more logical than in other
        languages with a poorer morphology. <br>
      </font></p>
    <p class="Texte0"><font size="+1"><br>
      </font></p>
    <p class="Texte0"><font size="+1">Look for instance at some examples
        collected for French-speaking students:<br>
      </font></p>
    <p class="Texte0"><br>
    </p>
    <p class="Texte0">  • La direction n’est pas toujours exprimée en
      français par un circonstant : c’est le <u>verbe</u> qui fait la
      différence,</p>
    <p class="texte"
      style="margin-left:15.0pt;text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none;
      tab-stops:35.4pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">– Hänel<u>tä</u>
      </b><span style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">(élatif)</span><b
        style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"> kuoli
        poika sodan aikana</b></p>
    <p class="texte"
      style="margin-left:15.0pt;text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none;
      tab-stops:35.4pt">‘De-lui est mort un fils pendant la guerre’ càd.
      ‘Il a <u>perdu</u>
      un fils…’.</p>
    <p class="texte"
      style="margin-left:15.0pt;text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none;
      tab-stops:35.4pt"><br>
    </p>
    <p class="texte"
      style="margin-left:15.0pt;text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none;
      tab-stops:35.4pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span
          style="mso-ansi-language:FI" lang="FI">–  Kenel<u>tä</u> </span></b><span
        style="mso-ansi-language:FI" lang="FI">(élatif)<b
          style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"> lainasit
          tämän uimapuvun ?</b></span></p>
    <p class="texte"
      style="margin-left:15.0pt;text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none;
      tab-stops:35.4pt">‘A qui as-tu <u>emprunté</u> ce maillot de
      bain ?’</p>
    <p class="texte"
      style="margin-left:33.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1
      lfo3;
      tab-stops:35.4pt"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:
        Times;mso-bidi-font-family:Times"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">–<span
            style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">      </span></span></span><b
        style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">Kene<u>lle</u> </b>(illatif)<b
        style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"> lainasit uimapukusi ?</b></p>
    <p class="texte"
      style="margin-left:15.0pt;text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none;
      tab-stops:35.4pt"><span style="mso-ansi-language:X-NONE"
        lang="X-NONE">‘A qui
        as-tu <u>prêté</u> ton maillot de bain?’</span>.</p>
    <p class="texte"
      style="margin-left:15.0pt;text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none;
      tab-stops:35.4pt"><br>
    </p>
    <p class="Texte0">• sans compter qu’elle n’est pas forcément la même
      dans les
      deux langues : ex. <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">kysyä</b>
      +
      ablatif ‘demander <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">à’</i>.</p>
    <p class="texte"
      style="margin-left:15.0pt;text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none;
      tab-stops:35.4pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">– Kysy
        naapuri<u>lta</u>,
        ellet usko minua !</b></p>
    <p class="texte"
      style="margin-left:15.0pt;text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none;
      tab-stops:35.4pt">‘Demande au voisin, si tu ne me crois pas !’.</p>
    <p class="texte"
      style="margin-left:15.0pt;text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none;
      tab-stops:35.4pt"><br>
    </p>
    <p class="texte"
      style="margin-left:15.0pt;text-indent:0cm;mso-list:none;
      tab-stops:35.4pt">(Examples from <span
        style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
        NL" lang="NL">M.M.Jocelyne Fernandez-Vest, 2018, <i>Parlons
          finnois – La Finlande, langues et cultures,</i> <i> </i></span><span
        style="font-family:Times;
        mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><i>(2. Grammaire finnoise</i><span
          style="mso-bidi-font-style:italic">, p. 57-203<i>)</i></span>,
      </span><span style="font-family:Times;
        mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><span
          style="font-family:Times;mso-ansi-language:
          NL" lang="NL">Paris, Ed. L’Harmattan, coll. Parlons<i>)</i></span></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"> </b></p>
    <br>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span
          style="mso-ansi-language:NL" lang="NL"> </span></b>Prof.
      M.M.Jocelyne FERNANDEZ-VEST <br>
    </p>
    <p class="MsoNormal">CNRS & Université Sorbonne Nouvelle</p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
    </p>
    <p class="MsoNormal">----------------------------------------<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 11/10/2018 à 19:41, Östen Dahl a
      écrit :<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">The crucial property of Finnish is not so much
            that it distinguishes by case the place at which something
            is located from the place to which something moves as that
            it uses the “endpoint of motion” cases also with some verbs
            where there is no motion involved, such as ‘remain’ and
            ‘stay’, as was noted by Florian Siegl. There is a somewhat
            analogous use of ‘from’-cases with verbs meaning ‘find’,
            ‘look for’, as in
            <i>Hän etsii avainta taskusta </i>‘He is looking for the
            key in his pocket’ (lit. ‘from the pocket’) . (‘Hide’ is
            different as it may or may not involve motion.)
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">I have an old paper on this, see below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
              style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Östen<o:p></o:p></span></li>
        </ul>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-24.0pt"><span
            lang="EN-US">D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-24.0pt"><span
            lang="EN-US">Dah   Dahl, Östen. 1987. Case Grammar and
            Prototypes. In René Dirven & Gunter Radden (eds.),
            <i>Concepts of Case</i>, 147–161. </span>Tübingen: Narr.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-24.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Från:</b> Lingtyp
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org"><lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org></a>
              <b>För </b>Sergey Say<br>
              <b>Skickat:</b> den 11 oktober 2018 18:52<br>
              <b>Till:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br>
              <b>Ämne:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] "I hide my stone in my house"<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                  Roman",serif">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif">A close colleague of mine,
                    Natalia Zaika, wrote a paper on exactly this kind of
                    alternation "in Lithuanian and elsewhere", see
                    <a
href="https://www.academia.edu/21511423/The_directive_locative_alternation_in_Lithuanian_and_elsewhere_2016_"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.academia.edu/21511423/The_directive_locative_alternation_in_Lithuanian_and_elsewhere_2016_</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                    Roman",serif">There are many references to
                    previous studies, too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                  Roman",serif">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif">Sergey Say<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                Roman",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On
                  Thursday, October 11, 2018, 7:37:28 PM GMT+3, Peter
                  Arkadiev <<a href="mailto:peterarkadiev@yandex.ru"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">peterarkadiev@yandex.ru</a>>
                  wrote:
                  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Re
                        Russian and the lative/essive expressions with
                        verbs of displacement in general I suggest
                        looking into the following paper:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Nikitina,
                        Tatiana.
                      </span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Variation
                        in the encoding of endpoint of motion in
                        Russian. In: V. Hasko, R. Perelmutter (eds.),
                        <i>New Approaches to Slavic Verbs of Motion</i>.
                        Amsterdam, Philadelphia: John Benjamins, 2010,
                        pp. 267–290.
                        <a
href="https://www.academia.edu/2916470/Variation_in_the_encoding_of_endpoints_of_motion_in_Russian"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
https://www.academia.edu/2916470/Variation_in_the_encoding_of_endpoints_of_motion_in_Russian</a></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                        New Roman",serif;color:#26282A">Best
                        regards,</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                        New Roman",serif;color:#26282A">Peter</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">-- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Peter
                        Arkadiev, PhD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Institute
                        of Slavic Studies<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Russian
                        Academy of Sciences<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Leninsky
                        prospekt 32-A 119991 Moscow<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><a
                          href="mailto:peterarkadiev@yandex.ru"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">peterarkadiev@yandex.ru</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><a
href="http://inslav.ru/people/arkadev-petr-mihaylovich-peter-arkadiev"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">http://inslav.ru/people/arkadev-petr-mihaylovich-peter-arkadiev</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">11.10.2018,
                        16:39, "Mike Morgan" <<a
                          href="mailto:mwmbombay@gmail.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">mwmbombay@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote
                    style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                    <div id="ydpfb50e4afyiv3367376652yqtfd61136">
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Russian
                            also "follows" the "Finnish way" of doing
                            things:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">locative
                              (prepositional) case for static: is
                              located in a place<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">accusative
                              case for dynamic: put something in a place<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Sanskrit
                              also<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I
                              am guessing that the languages of this
                              type are not, in face few as Ian suggests.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On
                            Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 6:42 PM Bakker, Dik
                            <<a href="mailto:D.Bakker@uva.nl"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">D.Bakker@uva.nl</a>>
                            wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid
                        #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
                        6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
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                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I
                                  think that one should not ignore<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">the
                                  semantics of the verb ('hide').<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Sebastian's
                                  English example (trans vs intrans)
                                  makes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">this
                                  very clear.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">So,
                                  it seems not to be a clear-cut case
                                  where<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">a
                                  simple translation would render the
                                  answer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">with
                                  respect to possible case/adposition
                                  differences.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Dik<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                              <div>
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                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">dr.
                                                    Dik Bakker </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Dept.
                                                    of General
                                                    Linguistics<br>
                                                    Universities of
                                                    Amsterdam &
                                                    Lancaster<br>
                                                    tel (+31) 35 544 75
                                                    78<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <a
                                                      href="http://www.uva.nl/profiel/b/a/d.bakker/d.bakker.html"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.uva.nl/profiel/b/a/d.bakker/d.bakker.html</a><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Societas Linguistica
                                                    Europaea<br>
                                                    Secretary<br>
                                                    <a
                                                      href="http://www.societaslinguistica.eu/"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.societaslinguistica.eu/</a></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><br>
                                                  </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="http://www.societaslinguistica.eu/" target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.linguisticsociety.eu/</a></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                <div class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="text-align:center"
                                  align="center"><span
                                    style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                    New Roman",serif;color:black">
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Van:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">
                                      Lingtyp [<a
                                        href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>]
                                      namens Hannu Tommola [<a
                                        href="mailto:hannu.tommola@uta.fi"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">hannu.tommola@uta.fi</a>]<br>
                                      <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 11
                                      oktober 2018 14:48<br>
                                      <b>Aan:</b> Hartmut Haberland<br>
                                      <b>CC:</b> <a
                                        href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br>
                                      <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Lingtyp] "I
                                      hide my stone in my house"</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                      Roman",serif;color:black"><br>
                                       <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                      style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                      New Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <p><span
                                      style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                      New Roman",serif;color:black">For
                                      a Finnish speaker this is the only
                                      plausible solution..;-) , besides,
                                      it seems still to be possible to
                                      use the German _verstecken_ in
                                      this way, too. See Duden
                                      Wörterbuch: Sie versteckte das
                                      Geld in ihrem Schreibtisch /
                                      (selten:) in ihren Schreibtisch.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Best,<br>
                                      Hannu<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Quoting Hartmut Haberland <<a
                                        href="mailto:hartmut@ruc.dk"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">hartmut@ruc.dk</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                  <blockquote
                                    style="border:none;border-left:solid
                                    blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
                                    9.0pt;margin-left:1.5pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                    <div>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="EN-US">I am a German
                                          speaker and immediately I find
                                          the Finnish solution very
                                          plausible.</span><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"
                                          lang="EN-US">
                                        </span><span
                                          style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="DE">After all, in German
                                          we also have</span><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="DE">Der Stein liegt in
                                          der Schale. (Dative)</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="DE">Ich legte den Stein
                                          in die Schale.</span><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"
                                          lang="DE">
                                        </span><span
                                          style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="EN-US">(Accusative)</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="EN-US">So German is
                                          actually Finnish-type, too, in
                                          part at least. The problem
                                          seems to be with German
                                          ‘verstecken,’ that is not seen
                                          as a movement verb.</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="EN-US">Cf.</span><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="DE">Ich verstecke den
                                          Stein hinter dem (not: hinter
                                          das) Haus.</span><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="DE">There are other
                                          German verbs like that, e.g.
                                          anbringen, ablegen, abstellen,
                                          parken, archivieren,
                                          speichern, … that work the
                                          same.</span><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="DE">Same with Danish <i>gemme</i>
                                          ‘verstecken, aufheben’:</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D">Jeg
                                          gemmer maden (inde) i
                                          spisekammeret.</span><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="EN-US">Now <i>inde</i>
                                          is not obligatory, actually a
                                          bit awkward, but possible. But
                                          it indicates place (where?),
                                          not direction (whither?), and
                                          the corresponding directional
                                          adverb (<i>ind</i>) would be
                                          impossible here.</span><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="DE">With verbs like <i>legen,
                                            stellen, setzen, sich setzen</i>
                                          German is like Finnish.</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"
                                          lang="DE">
                                        </span><span
                                          style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="EN-US">But they seem to
                                          be in the minority.</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="EN-US">Never thought of
                                          it –</span><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="EN-US">Wir parkten das
                                          Auto im Hof (We parked the car
                                          in the backyard), not</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="DE">*Wir parkten das
                                          Auto in den Hof (*into the
                                          backyard)</span><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="EN-US">Besides</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="EN-US">Wir stellten das
                                          Auto im Hof ab (roughly same
                                          meaning, but more like
                                          ‚because it was in the way’)</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="DE">I would marginally
                                          accept</span><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="DE">Wir stellten das
                                          Auto in den Hof ab</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span style="color:#1F497D"
                                          lang="EN-US">though.</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <div>
                                        <p><b><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"
                                              lang="EN-US">Hartmut
                                              Haberland</span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><br>
                                          </span><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"
                                            lang="EN-US">Professor
                                            emeritus</span><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
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                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><img
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                                              lang="EN-US">Roskilde
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                                            <b>På vegne af</b> Joo Ian<br>
                                            <b>Sendt:</b> 11. oktober
                                            2018 13:01<br>
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                                            <b>Emne:</b> [Lingtyp] "I
                                            hide my stone in my house"</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <div>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Dear all,</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I am
                                            interested in the following
                                            hypothesis:</span><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">In most of
                                            the world's languages, the
                                            PP "in my house" in sentence
                                            (1) and (2) are the same.</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">(1)
                                            My stone is in my house.</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">(2) I hide
                                            my stone in my house.</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">For
                                            example, in German:</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">(1)
                                            Mein Stein ist "in meinem
                                            Haus".</span><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">(2) Ich
                                            verstecke meinen Stein "in
                                            meinem Haus".</span><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Although
                                            there are few languages
                                            where the PP of (1) and (2)
                                            are not identical, such as
                                            Finnish:</span><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">(1)
                                            Kiveni on "talossani".
                                            (Locative)</span><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">(2)
                                            Piilotan kiveni "talooni".
                                            (Illative)</span><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">But cases
                                            like Finnish are far fewer
                                            than English-like cases, I
                                            think.</span><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I think
                                            this is interesting because
                                            the PP of (1) and that of
                                            (2) are semantically
                                            different: the PP in (1) is
                                            a location whereas that in
                                            PP is the endpoint of a
                                            placement event. If I can
                                            show that the two PPs are
                                            morphologically identical in
                                            most of the world's
                                            languages, then I can
                                            suggest that placement event
                                            profiles a static location
                                            as its endpoint and not a
                                            dynamic goal, like Rohde has
                                            argued in her dissertation (<a
href="https://scholarship.rice.edu/handle/1911/18015" target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">https://scholarship.rice.edu/handle/1911/18015</a>)</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Although I
                                            find this issue interesting,
                                            I would like to know if
                                            others find it so as well.
                                            What do you think? (Also, I
                                            would appreciate if anyone
                                            can let me know any other
                                            Finnish-like cases)</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">From
                                            Hong Kong,</span><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Ian
                                            Joo</span><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="http://ianjoo.academia.edu/" target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">http://ianjoo.academia.edu</a></span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                        <p><span
                                            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                            New
                                            Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                      <p><span
                                          style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                          New
                                          Roman",serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                    </div>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <p><span
                                      style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                      New Roman",serif;color:black"><br>
                                       <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
                                        New
                                        Roman",serif;color:black">Hannu
                                        Tommola<br>
                                        Professor emer. of Russian
                                        Language (Translation Theory and
                                        Practice)<br>
                                        School of Language, Translation
                                        and Literary Studies<br>
                                        FIN-33014 University of Tampere,
                                        Finland<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Dr
                              Michael W Morgan<br>
                              mwm || *U*C> || mike || </span><span
                              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Nirmala
                              UI",sans-serif;color:#26282A">माईक</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">
                              ||
                            </span><span
                              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Nirmala
                              UI",sans-serif;color:#26282A">માઈક</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">
                              ||
                            </span><span
                              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Nirmala
                              UI",sans-serif;color:#26282A">মাঈক</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">
                              ||
                            </span><span
                              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Nirmala
                              UI",sans-serif;color:#26282A">மாஈக</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">
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                            </span><span
                              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS
                              Gothic";color:#26282A">戊流岸マイク</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><br>
                              sign language linguist / linguistic
                              typologist / Deaf education consultant<br>
                              "Have language, will travel"<br>
                              =====================================<br>
                              "People who are always looking down at the
                              bottom line will always fail to see the
                              stars"<br>
                               <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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