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    So it seems that there is an implicational scale of verb types:<br>
    <br>
    go/send > put > hide/bury > remain<br>
    <br>
    The higher a verb is on the scale, the more likely it is for a
    language to use allative marking, and the lower it is, the more
    likely it is that a language uses locative marking.<br>
    <br>
    Finnish and Estonian use allative all the way down this scale (but
    they have a locative marker for 'be'), and some languages may use
    allative for 'hide/bury' (maybe even German, though I find such
    examples barely acceptable). Other languages have variation for
    'put' (including English, but not German), and still other languages
    have variation even for 'go/send' (not English).<br>
    <br>
    Zaika's (2016) paper is indeed very relevant – thanks for sharing
    it. Someone should study this pattern for more languages.<br>
    <br>
    Best,<br>
    Martin<br>
    <br>
    P.S. For "allative/locative", different term pairs have been used in
    this discussion: "lative/essive" (Uralic/Caucasian tradition),
    "directive/locative" (Zaika), "dynamic goal/static location". I
    think all these mean the same (though I understand why Uralicists
    prefer "lative" and don't want to rename their "allative" to
    "ad-allative").<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11.10.18 23:20, Jane Simpson wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Some Australian languages show this distinction
        between location of object, event and subject, which Ken Hale
        drew attention to.  Patrick McConvell and I discuss this with
        comparisons with Finnish:
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            36px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times
            New Roman"">McConvell, Patrick, and Simpson, Jane.
            2012. Fictive motion down under:<span
              class="gmail-Apple-converted-space">  </span>The
            locative-allative case alternation in some Australian
            Indigenous languages. In <i>Shall we play the Festschrift
              game? Essays on the occasion of Lauri Carlson's 60th
              birthday</i>, eds. Diana Santos, Wanjiku N'gang'a and
            Krister Lindén, 159-180. Heidelberg: Springer.</p>
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        <div dir="ltr">On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 10:01 PM Joo Ian <<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ian.joo@outlook.com"
            target="_blank">ian.joo@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">Dear
              all,<br>
              <br>
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            <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">I
              am interested in the following hypothesis:<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">In
              most of the world's languages, the PP "in my house" in
              sentence (1) and (2) are the same.<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">(1)
              My stone is in my house.<br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">(2)
              I hide my stone in my house.<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">For
              example, in German:<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">(1)
              Mein Stein ist "in meinem Haus".<br>
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            <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">(2)
              Ich verstecke meinen Stein "in meinem Haus".<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">Although
              there are few languages where the PP of (1) and (2) are
              not identical, such as Finnish:<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">(1)
              Kiveni on "talossani". (Locative)<br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">(2)
              Piilotan kiveni "talooni". (Illative)<br>
              <br>
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            <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">But
              cases like Finnish are far fewer than English-like cases,
              I think.<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">I
              think this is interesting because the PP of (1) and that
              of (2) are semantically different: the PP in (1) is a
              location whereas that in PP is the endpoint of a placement
              event. If I can show that the two PPs are morphologically
              identical in most of the world's languages, then I can
              suggest that placement event profiles a static location as
              its endpoint and not a dynamic goal, like Rohde has argued
              in her dissertation (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://scholarship.rice.edu/handle/1911/18015"
                target="_blank">https://scholarship.rice.edu/handle/1911/18015</a>)<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">Although
              I find this issue interesting, I would like to know if
              others find it so as well. What do you think? (Also, I
              would appreciate if anyone can let me know any other
              Finnish-like cases)<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">
              <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">From
                Hong Kong,<br>
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              <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">Ian
                Joo<br>
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              <div dir="auto"
style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black"><a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://ianjoo.academia.edu" target="_blank">http://ianjoo.academia.edu</a></div>
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Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History
Kahlaische Strasse 10   
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Institut fuer Anglistik 
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