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<p>Hedvig and others,</p>
<p>CLICS is a great resource, and not (only) because it is housed
almost directly across the corridor from my own office here in
Jena. And I have found it profitable to use in other contexts.</p>
<p>However, it is not clear to me how it might be of help in the
present case. The problem is, when I click (pun unintended) on,
say, the "animal" link below, and see a range of concepts that are
supposedly colexified with "animal", I simply have no idea which
understanding of the term "animal" was made use of by each of the
various sources that the CLICS database relies on, and little
confidence that they all made use of the same purported meaning of
the word "animal".</p>
<p>The problem is actually a more general one that just "animal" and
CLICS. Martin and other similarly-minded typologists have argued
that meaning provides a more solid basis for the formulation of
cross-linguistically valid comparative concepts than does form.
My own feeling is that such arguments significantly overestimate
the validity of supposedly universal concepts (a la Wierzbicka, or
the "CONCEPTICON"), while underestimating the degree to which
languages may differ also with respect to their semantic
structures. But that's a topic for a different conversation ...</p>
<p>David<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/10/2018 03:56, Hedvig Skirgård
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<div>I think that Ian and Martin may be talking past each
other somewhat here. I think that they have different
meanings of "questionnaire" (reading grammars or searching
through corpora and systematically cataloguing the
information into a sheet could be seen as filling out a
questionnaire), but I'll leave that to Ian and Martin to
work out. I also appreciate Östen's attention to the
impact of the phrasing of questions to informants, I think
that's a very good point.</div>
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<div>Another resource that David could make use of is the
recently released Database of Cross-Linguistic
Colexifications (CLICS) from the CLLD-project and
CALC/DLCE group at MPI-SHH. It contains info on
co-lexification, and can display information in network
graphs. Here are some relevant graphs:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Den tis 16 okt. 2018 kl 08:46 skrev Ian Maddieson
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Martin,
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<div>I find it a very bizarre claim to say that
questionnaires are the ONLY way that cross-linguistic
research can be carried out.</div>
<div>Sure, using a questionnaire can be a useful tool for
certain purposes, but consulting dictionaries, articles
and grammars, </div>
<div>analyzing texts, analyzing recordings, conducting
experiments and so on are all possible ways of doing
cross-linguistic</div>
<div>research. </div>
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<div>In the context of the present discussion, the
referential scope of "animal”-words might emerge more
reliably from looking</div>
<div>at large bodies of text to infer actual usage than from
even a very well-designed questionnaire. Of course, large
bodies of</div>
<div>text are only available from a small sample of
languages, and processing the data is non-trivial!</div>
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<div>Ian</div>
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<div>On Oct 15, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Östen Dahl <<a
href="mailto:oesten@ling.su.se" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">oesten@ling.su.se</a>>
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Martin,</span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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lang="EN-US">Since Hedvig did not really
specify what the questionnaires should look
like, could you make more precise what you
mean by “questionnaires of the sort proposed
by Hedvig”? Also, are you saying that one
cannot carry out cross-linguistic research by
corpus work or psycholinguistic experiments or
by reading grammars?</span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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lang="EN-US">I think that some caution is
necessary when constructing a questionnaire to
compare how words like “animal” are used.
There may well be a conflict between perceived
norms and actual usage. Direct questions such
as “What does X mean?” or “Is X a Y?” may
yield answers which are biased towards the
former.</span></div>
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lang="EN-US">Östen</span></div>
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lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lingtyp <<a
href="mailto:lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org"
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lingtyp-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>><span
class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>För<span
class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Martin
Haspelmath<br>
<b>Skickat:</b><span
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15 oktober 2018 15:40<br>
<b>Till:</b><span
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href="mailto:lingtyp@listserv.linguistlist.org"
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
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<b>Ämne:</b><span
class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Lingtyp] query: "animal"</div>
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12pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">In
fact, questionnaires of the sort proposed by
Hedvig and endorsed by David are the ONLY way in
which cross-linguistic research can be carried
out.<br>
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There is no contradiction at all between lists
of comparison meanings (like David's original
list of 8 organism types) and the recognition
that languages "function" differently.<br>
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In order to express how a language "functions"
(= in order to describe a language), one needs
descriptive categories, and these may well
involve prototypes.<br>
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In order to find out what languages have in
common, one needs comparative concepts (for
lexical concepts: comparison meanings, e.g. the
concept-sets in the Concepticon<span
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href="https://concepticon.clld.org/parameters"
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://concepticon.clld.org/parameters</a>).<br>
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One should avoid the mistake of thinking that a
mapping from language facts to comparative
concepts is a description, or the opposite
mistake of thinking that descriptive categories
would necessarily be useful for comparison.<br>
<br>
(Sorry for belabouring this methodological
point, but it seems to come up again and
again...)<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Martin</p>
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<p>In response to the latest posting by Johanna,
I think there is widespread agreement that the
meanings of words exhibit the kind of internal
structuring that is usefully represented in
terms of prototypes. But this does not
preclude the need for adequate descriptions of
what is included — protypically, less
prototypically, marginally, or not at all — in
the extension of words such as "animal" and
its putative counterparts across languages.
And questionnaires have proven to be a useful
tool for gathering this kind of data — it's
quite easy to formulate a questionnaire in
such a way that it will elicit judgements of
prototypicality (as opposed to categorical
"black-and-white" judgements).</p>
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15/10/2018 14:49, Johanna Laakso wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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be honest, I don't believe that languages
function with clear categories for
concepts like "animal". More probably,
there is something like a prototypical
"core" for "animalness" (or many of them,
if there are many categories corresponding
to "animal"), surrounded by grey zones and
depending on contexts, styles,
subcultures, etc.</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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own anecdotal experience (which first
caught my attention years ago, when
working on a translation job): in
Estonian, "loomad ja linnud" (‘animals and
birds’, implying that ‘birds’ are a
category distinct from ‘animals’) seems to
be a pretty frequent expression (more than
60,000 Google hits). As a native speaker
of Finnish, I find the Finnish equivalent
expression, "eläimet ja linnut", less
natural or not as idiomatic and acceptable
as the Estonian one; it does occur but
clearly less frequently than in Estonian
(13,700 Google hits), and according to my
intuition, the Finnish ‘bird’ is a
borderline case – birds might be "animals"
or "not-animals", depending on context and
use. I'm also pretty sure that many other
Finnish speakers might see this
differently.</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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I have great doubts concerning the use of
questionnaires for gathering data. Or, at
least, the questionnaire should be very
carefully planned, to accommodate
vagueness and fuzzy or overlapping
categories.</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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Note also that terms for animals in many
languages are greatly affected by taboos.
And that the term ‘animal’ in itself is
often a derivative (Finnish eläin =
"living thing", Estonian loom =
"creature", Hungarian állat = "standing
thing") or a result of semantic extension
or specification (cf. German "Tier" and
its Scandinavian cognates with English
"deer", or the fact that Hungarian "állat"
a few centuries ago had a more general
meaning, something like "entity" or
"being") and that these developments might
be connected to cultural changes.</div>
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kirjoitti 15.10.2018 kello 13.55:</div>
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like one David posed are often
improved via more systematic
data collection using a form. I
suggested Google Forms because
it's one of the most user
friendly and familiar interfaces
out there where David could set
up a questionnaire and collect
data on people's usage of words
in their respective language,
and also get systematic data on
exactly what language they
speaks.</div>
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not going to set this up for
anyone else or compile the
information in this thread, I'm
merely suggesting that it a
Google Form may be a productive
way of going about this. <br
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hälsningar,</span></b></div>
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exploration is
very educative.
I cannot claim
to be able to
answer your
questions, but
here is a take
from Kiswahili.
In Kiswahili,
the
categorization
is as follows:</div>
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class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Mtu/Watu</i><span
class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span>'being/s'
(Classes 1/2
M/WA) includes
human and other
animates. They
are
superordniate
terms which
subsume (2-3).</div>
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class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Mnyama/Wanyama</i><span
class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span>'animal/s,
±live' (Classes
1/2
M/WA) , (historically
undifferentiated
as<i><span
class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span>nyama/nyama</i> of
classes 9/10,
N/N up to ends
of the 19th
century) which
subsume (3),
hence hypernym
to (3).</div>
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<div
style="margin:0cm
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class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Mdudu/Wadudu</i><span
class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span>'insect/s,
crawler/s,
parasite/s, and
others,
±live' (Classes
1/2 M/WA).</div>
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<div
style="margin:0cm
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gives us three
generic terms
for referring to
humans, animal,
insects and
other species
all the way to
microbes. (2-3)
are co-hyponyms
of (1). These
are not sharp
mutually
exclusive
categories.
Thus, centipede,
scorpion, etc.
are also types
of (3), and
human, and other
animals, e.g.
hippo, can be
described as<span
class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>wadudu</i>, or
better still
with the
augmentative<span
class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>dudu/madudu</i>,
depending on the
communication
intention of the
speaker, e,g,
how monstrous
they perceive
the
entity. Returning
to your list of
words, they
would fall under
(1-2), but
specifically
under (2) in
everyday usage.
For a quick, not
too detailed,
discussion,
kindly look at
chapter 2 of</div>
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A. A. (2007).<span
class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Semantic
Assignement
Rules in
Kiswahili
Bantu Classes</i>. Köln: Rüdiger
Köppe Verlag. </div>
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at 08:11,
David Gil <<a
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which of the
items in (1-8)
are covered by
Chinese<span
class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>dòngwù</i><span
class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span>(<span
style="font-family:'MS
Gothic'">動物</span>),
‘moving
thing’?</div>
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03:59, Randy
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<div
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<div
style="margin:0cm
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categories as
you have them
(1-8) reflect
certain
cultural
conceptions,
and so won’t
be the same
for other
cultures. For
example, in
Chinese bats
were
traditionally
seen as flying
mice, and
lizards were
seen as
four-legged
snakes. </div>
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<div
style="margin:0cm
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word in
Chinese that
we translate
as ‘animal’ is<span
class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>dòngwù</i><span
class="m_-8097236364991341234Apple-converted-space"> </span>(<span
style="font-family:'MS
Gothic'">動物</span>),
‘moving
thing’. </div>
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lang="EN-US">Dear
all,</span></div>
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<div
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lang="EN-US">I
am interested
in exploring,
cross-linguistically, the semantic range of words that correspond more
or less to the
English word
"animal".</span></div>
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lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
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lang="EN-US">Here
are examples
of the things
that English
"animal"
refers to:</span></div>
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<div
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lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
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<div
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lang="EN-US">1.
dog, kangaroo,
lizard, frog
...</span></div>
<div
style="margin:0cm
0cm
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lang="EN-US">2.
eagle,
sparrow,
chicken, bat
...</span></div>
<div
style="margin:0cm
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0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span
lang="EN-US">3.
bee, scorpion,
spider,
centipede ...</span></div>
<div
style="margin:0cm
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lang="EN-US">4.
crab, shrimp
...</span></div>
<div
style="margin:0cm
0cm
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lang="EN-US">5.
worm, leech
...</span></div>
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lang="EN-US">6.
starfish,
jellyfish,
squid, octopus
...</span></div>
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lang="EN-US">7.
oyster, clam
...</span></div>
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lang="EN-US">8.
sponge (?) ...</span></div>
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lang="EN-US">I
am looking for
examples of
languages in
which the
basic word
closest to
English
"animal" is
nevertheless
different in
its coverage.
In particular,
I would like
to find
instances — if
such exist —
of languages
in which there
is a basic
word that
covers the
examples in
1-4 (or maybe
1-5) to the
exclusion of
those in 5-8
(or maybe
6-8). (Note
that the
question
concerns
every-day
words that
reflect our
naive folk
biological
knowledge, not
with
scientific
terms in those
few languages
that have such
terminology.)</span></div>
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<div
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lang="EN-US">Some
words of
background: A
colleague and
I working in
experimental
cognitive
science have
found
(non-linguistic)
empirical
evidence for
the
psychological
reality of an
ontological
category that
consists
roughly of
animals of the
kind
exemplified in
1-4 (and
possibly also
5). We are
calling this
category
"higher
animals". The
characteristic
prototypical
features of
higher animals
include a
single axis of
symmetry, the
existence of
head, torso
and limbs, a
face in the
front of the
head that
includes
sensory organs
such as eyes,
and a mouth
for eating,
and the
ability to
move forward
in the
direction that
the head is
facing. A
challenge that
we face is
that, in the
(few)
languages that
we are
familiar with,
there is no
simple word
for higher
animals. But
we are hoping
that other
languages
might have
such a word.
in addition,
we would also
welcome
grammatical
evidence for
the category
of higher
animals, for
example in the
form of
grammatical
rules that are
sensitive to
the animacy
hierarchy by
making
reference to a
cut-off point
between higher
and other
animals.</span></div>
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look forward
to your
responses.
Thanks,</span></div>
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