<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Nov 12, 2018, at 7:49 AM, Kilu von Prince <<a href="mailto:kilu.von.prince@hu-berlin.de">kilu.von.prince@hu-berlin.de</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Dear Jesús,</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>this is an interesting topic! In Oceanic, there are markers that seem to move between TAM marking and discourse structure, as described in some detail by Lichtenberk (2014). We also come across phrases that are usually translated as "and then" in Oceanic a lot, but I'm not aware of any publications on that. Feel free to get in touch should you be interested in looking at some relevant primary data.</div><div><br></div><div><div> Frantisek Lichtenberk. Sequentiality-futurity links. Oceanic Linguistics, 53(1):61–91, 2014.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Kilu</div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 9:20 AM Bastian Persohn <<a href="mailto:persohn.linguistics@gmail.com">persohn.linguistics@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Dear Jesús,</p>
<p><br>
First of all: your project sounds very interesting and I would
like to hear more about it.<br>
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'Narrative' / 'subsecutive' / 'consecutive' markers are very
common in African languages. As for the Bantu language family,
Derek Nurse's (2008) book has a section on them.</p>
<p>In my book (2017) book (section 7.1) you will also find a summary
of previous approaches, as well as a description of the two
'narrative' markers found in Nyakyusa (§7.1).<br>
You'll find further useful references in there, of which I'd like
to point out Longacre's (1990) as a classic concerning other
African language families. <br>
The volume edited by Payne & Shirtz (2015) als includes
discussion of narrative morphology, e.g. Seidel's paper on Yeyi
(Bantu).<br>
Watter's (2002) on Kham (Sino-Tibetan) also includes an
interesting discussion of morphological devices in narrative
contexts.<br>
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These references are just from the top of my head and are not in
any kind of way meant to be concise.<br>
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Longacre, Robert E. 1990. Storyline concerns and word order
typology in east and west Africa. Studies in African Linguistics
supplement 10. 1–181. <br>
Nurse, Derek. 2008. Tense and aspect inBantu. Oxford: Oxford
University Press.<br>
Payne, Doris & Shahar Shirtz (eds.). 2015. Beyond aspect. The
expression of discourse functions in African languages. Benjamins.<br>
Persohn, Bastian. 2017. The verb in Nyakyusa: A focus on tense,
aspect and modality. Berlin: Language Science Press, <br>
Watters, David E. 2002. A grammar of Kham. Cambridge: Cambridge
University Press. <br>
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Best,</p>
<p>Bastian<br>
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Many other African languages<br>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif">This is Jesús Olguín. I am a Ph.D. student at the
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<span>I am currently
working on a project on sequential devices in the world´s
languages, as is shown in the example in (1). </span></div>
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<b><span lang="EN-US">Hoava</span></b><span lang="EN-US">
(Austronesian/Oceanic: Solomon Islands; Davis 2003: 261)
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif" lang="EN-US">(1)</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif" lang="EN-US">hele=hele</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif" lang="EN-US">dae tiqe</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif" lang="EN-US">sagele</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif" lang="EN-US">pule</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif" lang="EN-US">be.finished</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif;font-variant:small-caps" lang="EN-US">rdp</span><span lang="EN-US">=wash</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif;font-variant:small-caps" lang="EN-US">3sg.sbj</span><span lang="EN-US"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif">
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif" lang="EN-US">and then</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif" lang="EN-US">go.up</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif" lang="EN-US">return</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",Times,serif;font-variant:small-caps" lang="EN-US">3sg.sbj</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">‘He finished
washing, and then he went back up.’</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span>I send you this
message because I was wondering if any of you is awared of any
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<font face="AR CENA"><span style="font-size:14.6667px">Jesús
Olguín Martínez</span></font></div>
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<span>Karen Davis. 2003. A Grammar of the Hoava
Language, Western Solomons. (Pacific Linguistics, 535.)
Canberra: Research School of Pacific and Asian Studies,
Australian National University.</span><br>
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