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        lang="EN-US">Dear all,<br>
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    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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        lang="EN-US">I would like to
        thank everybody who responded to my query last week on
        exceptions to the
        animacy hierarchy based on shape (appended below).<span
          style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>In the rather lengthy
        summary that follows, I
        first explain the reason behind the query, and then discuss some
        of the results
        that emerged from your responses.</span></p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
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        lang="EN-US">The motivation
        for the query is in joint work by Yeshayahu Shen and myself on
        how we
        conceptualize and talk about hybrid creatures such as centaurs
        and mermaids —
        see reference below.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>One
        of our
        experimental findings was that when people are asked to describe
        novel hybrids,
        they tend to do so in accordance with the animacy hierarchy; for
        example, when
        presented with a composite image of a man and an eagle, they are
        more likely to
        say "man with an eagle's head and wings" (where the NP is headed
        by a
        human noun) than "eagle with a man's torso and legs" (where the
        NP is
        headed by a noun that lower on the animacy hierarchy).<span
          style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>However, more recent work
        has led us to
        modify the above conclusion; it now seems to us to be the case
        that the
        hierarchy that governs the way we describe hybrids is, at least
        in part, not
        the familiar ontologically-based animacy hierarchy, but rather
        an alternative
        "schematological" hierarchy, based on shape, which, simplifying
        considerably, looks roughly as follows:<br
          style="mso-special-character:line-break">
      </span></p>
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        lang="EN-US">HUMANOIDS:<br>
        entities with head, torso, two arms, two legs, face with sensory
        organs,
        lateral symmetry</span></p>
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        lang="EN-US">(e.g. humans,
        some apes, some robots)<br>
        <br>
        SUB-HUMANOIDS:<br>
        entities with head, torso, appendages, lateral symmetry</span></p>
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        lang="EN-US">(e.g. dogs, birds,
        cars)</span></p>
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    </p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
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        lang="EN-US">SUB-SUB-HUMANOIDS</span></p>
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        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
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        lang="EN-US">entities with
        head, torso</span></p>
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        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-font-family:
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        lang="EN-US">(e.g. jellyfish, trees,
        umbrellas)</span></p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
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        lang="EN-US">OTHER</span></p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
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        lang="EN-US">Although resembling
        the familiar animacy hierarchy in that it "begins" with humans
        and
        gradually peels away the human properties, the above
        schematological hierarchy
        differs from it in that it is based not on "deep" ontological
        properties
        but rather on properties pertaining to relatively more
        superficial shape.</span></p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
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        lang="EN-US">To the best of my
        knowledge, there are no reports in the linguistic literature of
        grammatical
        patterns being governed by the above schematological hierarchy;
        as far as I
        have been able to ascertain, all patterns argued to be sensitive
        to animacy seem
        to involve the familiar ontologically-based hierarchy and not
        have anything to
        do with shape.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>The
        purpose of this query
        was to see if anybody might be familiar with exceptions to the
        animacy
        hierarchy possibly motivated by the schematological hierarchy;
        however, so far no
        such cases have been offered.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span><br>
      </span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
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        lang="EN-US"><br>
      </span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
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        lang="EN-US">My hope was that some attested grammatical patterns
        might provide at least some additional support for the
        schematological hiertarchy.  However, if indeed
        no such case can be found, then our study of hybrids would seem
        to offer a
        rather curious instance of a grammatical hierarchy being
        revealed solely by a specific
        experimental task involving a rather esoteric stimulus set —
        which is a state of affairs
        I wouldn't quite know what to make of.<span
          style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span><span
          style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span></span></p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
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        lang="EN-US">Some comments on selected
        points raised in the discussion follow below (with apologies to
        those whose
        contributions I didn't mention).</span></p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
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        lang="EN-US">There was some discussion
        of the fact that in Japanese, robots can cooccur with either of
        two existence
        verbs, <i>iru</i>, which selects for animates, and <i>aru</i>,
        which selects
        for inanimates, and there was disagreement amongst speakers of
        Japanese with
        regard to the crucial case of whether statues of people,
        ontologically
        inanimate but schematologically humanoid, could cooccur with <i>iru</i>:
        while
        some speakers rejected the possibility, others had a more
        nuanced take.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>Yukinori
        Kimoto, in an offline communication,
        wrote that </span></p>
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    <p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
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        linguists seem to agree that the distinction is made according
        to whether the referent has an internal potential to move
        autonomously. So you can express "there is a ship (moving)" with
        "iru".<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>The judgement is
        ultimately influenced by the speaker's own construal, but robots
        can basically move by themselves, so "iru" is acceptable, (but
        "iru" sounds strange for industrial robots, which do not move,
        fixed to one place, but a rumba moving in your room can take
        "iru").<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>Yes, statues
        might take "iru", but it is just marginally acceptable. You can
        say "dozo ga iru" (statue NOM exist), in a "spooky" context,
        like, if you unexpectedly find a statue. [...] You can use "iru"
        with "dozo" (statue) like in the "spooky" context where you are
        walking in the campus at night, and surprisingly you find
        something like a human, which turns out to be a statue."</span></p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt
      229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt
      595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
        New Roman";mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
        mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">Thus,
        the distinction
        seems to revolve around the ability to move autonomously, while
        shape is
        irrelevant except as an indirect predictor of whether the object
        in question possesses
        such an ability.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span></span></p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt
      229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt
      595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
        New Roman";mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
        mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">More
        generally, I
        agree with </span><span
        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:
minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;
        mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">Östen Dahl</span><span
        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
        Roman";
mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-theme-font:
        minor-bidi">, who wrote that</span></p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi"> "The
        reason why we might want to regard a statue as animate is not
        primarily that it is shaped like a human being but that we
        either take it to represent a human or to be capable of acting
        and perceiving."</span></p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
        New Roman";mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
        mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi"> </span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:
minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">Or
        as Sebastian Nordhoff put it</span></p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
        New Roman";mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
        mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi"></span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:
minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">"It
        would seem that "(potentially) having a soul" would be more
        important than geometrical "humanoid" shape."</span></p>
    <p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">So
        the bottom line is that the schematological hierarchy proposed
        above seems to have little if any grammatical manifestations in
        human languages.</span></p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-font-family:
        Arial;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
        lang="EN-US">On a somewhat
        different note, Martin Haspelmath argued that binary contrasts
        such as
        Japanese <i>iru/aru</i> are more appropriately analyzed as
        reflecting nominal
        classification rather than true hierarchical organization.<span
          style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>My response to this would
        be to invoke Martin's
        own distinction between language-specific descriptive categories
        and cross-linguistic
        comparative concepts.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>Internally
        to
        Japanese, I would agree that the <i>iru/aru </i>distinction
        does not constitute
        evidence for a hierarchy; in order to have a language-specific
        hierarchy, the
        language would have to make reference to three or more distinct
        values, such as,
        for example, in Navajo, where an animacy hierarchy governs the
        choice of clausal
        voice.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>However, as
        typologists, it does
        in fact makes sense to posit an animacy hierarchy as a
        comparative category, reflecting
        the different cutoff points that various languages make, even if
        some of the
        relevant categories happen, within individual languages, to be
        binary, such as
        is the case for the <i>iru/aru </i>distinction in Japanese.</span></p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-font-family:
        Arial;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
        lang="EN-US">Several respondents
        mentioned numeral (and other) classifiers, and offered
        interesting insights as
        to how these work.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>However,
        such
        classifiers fail to fit the bill for the following reason.<span
          style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>To the extent that they
        make reference to
        properties involving shape, they refer to indivisible atomic
        shapes such as
        "long thin object", "small compact object" and the like —
        not to the kind of complex shapes that form the basis of the
        schematological
        hierarchy above.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>Perhaps
        because of
        their atomic nature, classifiers do not seem to organize
        themselves in terms resembling
        an animacy (or schematological) hierarchy, in which types are
        arranged in terms
        of increasing/decreasing complexity.<span
          style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>But
        I'm open to counterexamples on this, and Daniel Ross has offered
        some
        suggestive leads on gender resolution in Bantu needing further
        exploration.</span></p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p><span
        style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-theme-font:
        minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Related to
        this, Yukinori Kimoto wrote that </span></p>
    <p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
        mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">"</span><span
        style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
        mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">Japanese classifiers do have a
        hierarchical structure, but the higher-order distinction is
        between human, non-human animate, and inanimate, so again it
        follows animacy. Yo Matsumoto in an article says (translation
        mine from Japanese):</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
        mso-ansi-language:EN-US"> </span><span
        style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
        mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">"The most basic semantic
        distinction in Japanese classifier system is animacy.
        Classifiers are divided into those used for animate things and
        those for inanimate. The first is further divided into those
        used for humans and those for non-human animals. Each of the
        three classes has the superordinate classifier: -ri/-nin (for
        human in general) -hiki (for animals in general), and -tsu
        (inanimate in general)" (parentheses mine)".</span></p>
    <p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
        mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">However, no evidence is
        offered for the hierarchic nature of the "higher-order"
        distinction between </span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">human,
        non-human animate, and inanimate.</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
        mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><span
          style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>(And in any case, even if
        it turns out that there is hierarchical structure, it would seem
        to follow an ontological rather than a shape-based hierarchy.) </span></p>
    <p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
        mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Finally, Eitan Grossman
        offered a plausible frequency-based explanation for WHY the
        schematological hierarchy is not as grammaticalized as the
        ontologically based animacy hierarchy:<span
          style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>we talk less about the
        shapes of things than about their deeper ontological properties,
        and hence shapes have less of a chance to undergo
        grammaticalization. </span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
        mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"></span><span
        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-font-family:
        Arial;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
        lang="EN-US">Thanks to all
        those who contributed to the discussion:<span
          style="mso-spacerun:yes"> 
        </span>Östen Dahl, Victor Friedman, Eitan Grossman, Martin
        Haspelmath, Joo Ian,
        Yukinori Kimoto, Amina Mettouchi, André Müller, Randy J.
        LaPolla, Sebastian
        Nordhoff, Paolo Ramat, Jan Rijkhoff, Daniel Ross, </span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;
        mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
        Roman";mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
        mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">Steven
        Schaufele,
        Tasaku Tsunoda, Kazuha Watanabe.</span></p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p>
    </p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-font-family:
        Arial;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
        lang="EN-US">Reference:</span></p>
    <p class="ReferencesT"
      style="margin-left:27.35pt;text-indent:-27.35pt"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-theme-font:
        minor-bidi" lang="EN-US">Shen, Yeshayahu and David Gil (2017)
        "How Language Influences
        the Way We Categorize Hybrids", in H. Cohen and C. Lefebvre eds,
        <i>Handbook
          of Categorization in Cognitive Science</i>, Second Edition,
        Elsevier,
        Amsterdam, 1177-1200.</span></p>
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    <span style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"></span><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/11/2018 03:27, David Gil wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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          lang="EN-US">I am looking for examples of exceptions to the
          animacy hierarchy that are motivated by the shape or other
          spatial configurational properties of the relevant referents.</span></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-font-family:
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      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
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          lang="EN-US">The animacy hierarchy is primarily of an
          ontological nature; shape doesn't usually matter.<span
            style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>A slug is animate even
          though its shape is ill-defined and amorphous, while a stone
          statue is inanimate even if it represents an identifiable
          person.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span></span></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-font-family:
          Arial;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"
          lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-font-family:
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          lang="EN-US">What would such a shape-based exception to the
          animacy hierachy look like?<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>In
          Japanese (according to Wikipedia, I hope this is right), there
          are two verbs of existence, <i>iru</i> for animates, <i>aru</i>
          for inanimates, but <i>robotto</i> ('robot') can occur with
          either of the two: while <i>iru</i> entails "</span><span
          style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;
mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
          Roman";
mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-theme-font:
          minor-bidi">emphasis on its human-like behavior", <i>aru</i>
          entails "emphasis on its status as a nonliving thing".<span
            style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>This description seems to
          suggest that it's the robot's sentience that is of relevance,
          not its human shape: presumably, even if the robot assumed the
          form of a sphere with blinking lights, if its behaviour were
          sufficiently humanlike it could take <i>iru</i> (speakers of
          Japanese: is this correct?).<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>On
          the other hand, I'm guessing that a human-like statue could
          never take <i>iru </i>(is this correct?).<span
            style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>So if my factual
          assumptions about Japanese are correct, the distribution of <i>iru</i>
          and <i>aru</i> does not offer a shape-based exception to the
          animacy hierarchy.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>A
          bona-fide shape-based exception to the animacy hierarchy would
          be one in which all human-shaped objects — robots, dolls,
          statues, whatever — behaved like humans with respect to the
          relevant grammatical property.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> 
          </span>Or conversely, a case in which an animate being that
          somehow managed to assume the form of a typical inanimate
          object would be treated as inanimate.</span></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:
          minor-bidi;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
          Roman";mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
          mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi"> </span></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:
          minor-bidi;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
          Roman";mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
          mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">I
          would like to claim that such shape-based exceptions to the
          animacy hierarchy simply do not exist, but I am running this
          past the collective knowledge of LINGTYP members first, to
          make sure I'm not missing out on anything.</span></p>
      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
          style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:
          minor-bidi;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New
          Roman";mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
          mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi"> </span></p>
      <span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
        New Roman";mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-bidi;
mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:
        EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">More generally, it seems to be
        the case that grammar doesn't really care much about shapes.<span
          style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>The closest thing to
        grammaticalized shape that I can think of is numeral
        classifiers, which typically refer to categories such as
        "elongated object", "small compact object", and so forth.<span
          style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>But these straddle the
        boundary between grammar and lexicon, and, more importantly, are
        typically organized paradigmatically, rather than
        hierarchically, as is the case for animacy categories.</span>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 

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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
David Gil

Department of Linguistic and Cultural Evolution
Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History
Kahlaische Strasse 10, 07745 Jena, Germany

Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gil@shh.mpg.de">gil@shh.mpg.de</a>
Office Phone (Germany): +49-3641686834
Mobile Phone (Indonesia): +62-81281162816

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